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ants_everywhere 2 days ago

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throwawayoldie 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Quick question: if there is a paid anti-AI movement, where do I send my invoice? May as well not leave money on the table.

ants_everywhere 2 days ago | parent [-]

I love this

throwawayoldie a day ago | parent [-]

I don't love your silly theory. It sounds like you're in denial, trying to cope with the fact that not everyone thinks LLMs are the greatest thing since flush toilets.

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afavour 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The idea that anti-AI posts on HN are PR hit jobs (paid for by..?) strikes me as conspiracy theory.

The simple reality is that hype generates an anti-hype reaction. Excessive hype leads to excessive anti-hype. And right now AI is being so excessively hyped on a scale I’m not sure I’ve seen in all the years I’ve been working in tech.

ants_everywhere 2 days ago | parent [-]

That explanation doesn't make any sense because it explains none of the facts

afavour 2 days ago | parent [-]

When people get something shoved in their face day in day out some of them react negatively to it. Is the concept really so outlandish?

ants_everywhere 2 days ago | parent [-]

No, but have you seen what people are like when they react negatively? Their behavior is angry and aggressive and unpredictable.

What needs to be explained is a group of people predictably all acting exactly the same way.

afavour 2 days ago | parent [-]

You're seeing conspiracies where there are none. A group of people all acting the same way is not suspicious when their actions are the thing that groups them together.

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ants_everywhere 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Your theory that there's an invisible hand that makes everyone spontaneously act the same is nonsensical. It hasn't been observed in humans nor in the wider animal kingdom.

mvdtnz 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> the people funding the anti-AI movement

You can't be serious.

ants_everywhere 2 days ago | parent [-]

Well the movement exists and they have funding so somebody is funding it.

Unless you think they run entirely on the barter system.

mvdtnz 2 days ago | parent [-]

What movement? What funding?

ants_everywhere 2 days ago | parent [-]

I posted some links in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=ants_everywhere&next.... Not sure how to link to the specific comment id.

Some of the sites have funding and programming.

Politico also reports that "billionaires" (they name a couple) are funding "AI doomsayers" and have created registered lobbying groups: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/23/ai-safety-washingto...

For the record I'm in favor of AI safety and regulating the use of AI. I don't know anything about the particular bills or groups in the Politico article though. But it's clear evidence that people with money are funding speech that pushes back against AI.

The funding and use of campaigns to amplify divisive issues is well known, but I'm not claiming this is a source of anti-AI funding. You may perhaps believe that AI does not count as a divisive issue and so there are no anti-AI campaigns through this funding model. I would find that surprising but I don't know of a source yet that has positively identified such a campaign and its sourcing. There were similar campaigns against American technological domination such as the anti-nuclear movement which received a lot of funding from the pro-nuclear Russian military during the cold war. And the anti-war movement which received a lot of funding from the pro-war Russian military during the Vietnam war. Similarly the US has funded "grass roots" movements abroad.

To be clear I'm not saying the anti-AI movement is similarly funded or organized. But it is clearly a movement (and its adherents acknowledge that) and it clearly has funding (including some from very wealthy donors). And they do all use similar stock phrases and examples and often [0] have very new accounts. Everything in the current paragraph is verifiable.

[0] by often, I mean higher than the base rate topic for HN. I don't mean more than 50% of the time or any other huge probability.