Years ago I attended a USGS talk about Critical Minerals. (it's archived somewhere...) The federal government (at least a competent one, not sure about the current status) tracks the stability of Critical Mineral sources.

Turns out (to no surprise) that it's to the US's advantage to outsource very polluting mining and processing of critical minerals. (Nobody likes open-pit mines, see people thoughts about the Permanente quarry south of Cupertino)

Of course it's a trade-off, as the US becomes dependent on an external source, and the cost of bringing up internal production increases as internal mining sources are shut down and potentially skill is lost.

And here's the 2025 draft report: https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2025/1047/ofr20251047.pdf

Edit: here's the USGS talk, from 2017: https://youtu.be/N53Rm-aDCu8

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ambicapter 4 days ago | parent [-]

Why not do both, get minerals from other countries while it's polluting, spend some of your research budget on figuring out how to do the mining without the downsides.

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jandrewrogers 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Mining is industrial chemistry. If you dig up a bunch of lead or arsenic that is mixed with some other metal you actually want, you have to put that arsenic or lead somewhere. You can covert it to different forms of lead or arsenic but they will always contain those elements. At which point, the only question is how much money you want to spend to convert those toxic waste products into a specific form that may be more manageable or slightly less toxic when you dump them. When we talk about "downsides" to mining, this is the elephant in the room because we can't make those elements not exist and mining will always produce them.

Most metals commonly occur together with specific other metals in nature. For example, it is rare to find silver and zinc without a lot of associated lead. You can't make that lead disappear and we still need silver and zinc.

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AceJohnny2 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> spend some of your research budget on figuring out how to do the mining without the downsides.

Well now see that'd be government spending and the majority of our voters/government don't want none of that

Tangentially, attending the USGS talks gave me a huge appreciation for the excellent, useful work that (some?) of our federal agencies do, which just made me that much more livid at the senseless cuts that DOGE & Republicans have done.

	▲	spwa4 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		> Well now see that'd be government spending and the majority of our voters/government don't want none of that What do you mean? Trump spent more than the US government has ever spent before just this year. He did so in his last term too. He just doesn't want to spend it on necessary things. After all, they're necessary. If he doesn't do it, someone will, right? There's a slight issue with this reasoning: it usually ends in the state having to do it anyway, at greatly increased cost, further increasing the already eye-watering spend Trump did.