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paxys 4 days ago

90% of the world's population and 68% of the land mass being in the northen hemisphere is probably a good enough reason to put north up top on a map.

the-grump 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Disagree completely.

Your map should be bottom-heavy for stability.

ashdksnndck 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Good point. If south-up were the default, we would probably be manufacturing globes without any mounting system, and just leave them lying around with the Eurasian landmass facing down due to gravity.

shermantanktop 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's true, that's how Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.

mckeed 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also if the map is flat on a table, more stuff is closer to you.

kqr 4 days ago | parent [-]

But if you pin it to a wall, it's easier to reach the top pins with the most earthful bits at face height if the earthful bits are at the top.

amiga386 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No no no.

We should put Asia at the top, Europe bottom left, Africa bottom right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_and_O_map

benrutter 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

You're all fools! We should put the north pole in the center so that Antartica makes a pretty frame around the rest of the world!

deltarholamda 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

We called it the Orient because at one time to orient yourself meant to face east towards the rising Sun. So maps with east at the top make sense.

smusamashah 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Only if gravity was on the down side

Mistletoe 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

-Dwight Schrute

maxglute 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Split it at the equator, make them north south edges and make everyone angry.

dietr1ch 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

You forgot to tilt it and to push the Greenwich meridian out of the center.

MrZander 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It hurts my head to even try to visualize this

travisjungroth 4 days ago | parent [-]

It’s because to make it work you split just half the equator. Think of the prime meridian and the antimeridian (by the date line). They make a circle that goes all the way around like the equator, but you only split on half.

marcosdumay 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That's one that not even XKCD made yet. I guess everybody will agree about it, but the people in tropical countries will agree louder.

jama211 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If it’s at the bottom and you put it on a table, more of the land is closer to you and therefore easier to read.

Its all arbitrary, and we can all make up random minor pro/cons all we like but it don’t change that.

toast0 4 days ago | parent [-]

> more of the land is closer to you and therefore easier to read.

As most people age, that gets less true. The optimum placement ends up being around an arms length away, so being away from the edge could help.

But if you're showing the whole world, typically the details aren't that important, so it's mostly arbitrary.

jama211 4 days ago | parent [-]

Haha, don’t read into my random example too hard, it was only there to prove you can make an argument for anything if you try hard enough.

mckeed 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I do wonder if early world explorers had been from the southern hemisphere and a tradition of "south up" was already established, if it would still look better to us to have more land on top.

thaumasiotes 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I do wonder if early world explorers had been from the southern hemisphere and a tradition of "south up" was already established, if it would still look better to us to have more land on top.

No, the preference is conventional.

I should note, though, that Chinese maps were traditionally south-up. There's no reason to expect what hemisphere people are from to control that decision.

(Not only did the Chinese come from the northern hemisphere - they had an official orthodoxy holding that the north of China, where they originated, was morally superior to the south!

Nevertheless, they drew their maps with south at the top and referred to compasses as "south-pointing needles".)

YurgenJurgensen 4 days ago | parent [-]

…except when they put East at the top. The compass points go 東南西北, after all.

detourdog 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the convention was born by magnetic north. I suppose it might also point to non magnetic south. Maybe a combination of the explorers and compass convention.

IshKebab 4 days ago | parent [-]

How would magnetic north decide this? There's no asymmetry to magnetic north and south.

detourdog 4 days ago | parent [-]

I'm not 100% sure what you are asking. If the established convention is that a compass points north. Orienting a map to that convention makes sense to me. I thought I provided for the possibility that a compass also points south.

The southern hemisphere historically navigated using wave patterns and stars with maps made of sticks and stones. So I expect they have different navigational conventions. I have heard of an southern hemisphere island that provided on their navigational orientation based on a mountain top.

The pole star could also be part of this convention. The pole star appearing in a consistent point may also contribute to this standard.

bombcar 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I suppose we can ask Australians and the kiwis.

cdjc 4 days ago | parent [-]

Kiwis are just happy New Zealand is on the map (https://www.reddit.com/r/MapsWithoutNZ/).

Though it appears we don't have any cities.

afavour 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

…why? Why is it better for it to be in the upper half of the map than the lower half?

roncesvalles 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Let's say you have a globe. It's easier to look at the top half than the bottom half.

enjo 4 days ago | parent [-]

Two axis globe is best globe.

paxys 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People read things top to bottom. If you have half a page worth of content will you put it at the top and leave the bottom half of the page empty or the opposite? If you are writing a TL;DR will you put it at the top or bottom of the page?

stronglikedan 4 days ago | parent [-]

> People read things top to bottom.

Even in Berber?

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triceratops 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Berbers are in the top half of the map so all good. /s

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alexb_ 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By this logic, should we put east Asia on the top and have the less populated western hemisphere on the bottom? Why not have East be up?

Balinares 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why?

giveita 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

But what about the 10% who are bottomies