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DoctorOetker 4 days ago

Don't buy an Orange Lie.

I used to occasionally buy a single board computer ~10 to ~5 years ago.

Then I waited until SBC's reached the 32GB RAM level. The first such affordable and performant board was an Orange Pi 5+ or 5B (I should double check, may add a comment later).

I believe I wanted the Orange Pi 5+ but it was sold out, so I ordered and paid for the Orange Pi 5B (the 2 ethernet port variant) which was a bit more expensive but was still for sale. Both had 32GB RAM, my main requirement. There were multiple "flavors", with power adapters or with case or with memory card or eMMC etc. I chose the memory/eMMC version.

I sent a message to ask them to give me heads-up when they are about to ship mine, and then I was patient.

Then I waited, and waited, and waited.

Too patient, after a long while I start looking up on forums if other people are also waiting. I discover I am not the only one. So I take up contact again and ask when the board will be shipped.

They inform me the SBC is no longer manufactured, and offer me inflation-devalued currency.

I check which single board computers they still sell, and indeed they no longer sell the 5B variant, but now the 5+ is back in stock.

I ask them if they can just ship me the 5+ instead of the 5B. They refuse.

OK, I ask them how much I can pay extra so they ship me the 5+ instead of their unilaterally discontinued 5B.

They refuse.

A few months pass by. I ask again if they intend to ship the 5B as agreed, or the 5+ as a substitute.

So here comes the orange Lie:

They claim they shipped it, and provide a DHL link.

I first name (same as my father's) is German, even though I live in Belgium.

Their DHL link, is a shipment to somewhere in Germany, with a weight far below the weight of a single board computer, and which was delivered just minutes before their sending this message claiming shipped delivery.

I confront them that the weight of the SBC is advertised on their own site, and their DHL delivery link lists a value far below it, that I live in Belgium and the shipping address was in Belgium (I have 0 links to Germany), and that the timing of the delivery and their response message is so close it suggests people at customer support (presumably without arbitrary access to deliveries outside of the case) asked colleagues to let them know if a case pops up with a German delivery, so they can manually copy and paste bluff delivery of product X to customer Y as if it was my order to me into the message.

I confront them and ask them to answer a numbered list of questions.

They refuse to answer the questions (they can't without incriminating themselves), instead they offer me my money back.

Don't buy into the orange lie.

If you work for Orange Pie, feel free to msg me with a way to contact you, if you positively resolve my case I will remove this message.

johann8384 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I've got dozens of various OrangePi models and I use them for a wide range of projects like drones, sdr receivers, home automation nodes, etc.

I'm sorry you have this experience but it's definitely not typical.

slaw 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What was the website you bought it from?

DoctorOetker 4 days ago | parent [-]

amazon.nl

EDIT: adding the seller on Amazon.nl was BestMii, and they were linked as the sellers from Orange Pi website.

dlcarrier 4 days ago | parent [-]

I was wondering what was going on, because Orange Pi only sells to distributors, not direct to customers.

Amazon only has a single listing for any given product, and all distributors, whether authorized or not, are under the same listing. When there's more than one distributor, you can choose which one to order from, but the buy now button follows a default.

If it isn't too late, I would highly recommend disputing through Amazon, as disputes are the only way Amazon addresses problem distributors. Many know how to game the system, so if you communicate directly with them, they will try to delay you until after the dispute period has ended.

DoctorOetker 4 days ago | parent [-]

It was the only amazon distributor as far as I know.

they were directly linked from the Orange Pi 5 website.

Its their responsibility they direct their customers to dubious distribution systems (IF THAT IS THE CASE).

We should never reward orders or preorders in any fast devaluating area (like electronics) to be reneged after inflation: this would allow manufacturers to post-select a financial path: if less inflation than expected fulfill order, if more inflation than expected renege the deal.

slaw 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Orange Pi website shows for me only US Amazon Store. You should get your funds back from Amazon and order on Aliexpress.

DoctorOetker 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Thats probably because of your IP address?

Also strangely, I am unable to load the https version of www.orangepi.org even though it was available in the past:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKVPWJVL?ref=myi_title_dp

I also just discovered the dropshipping policy (and necessary requirements and forbidden practices).

Either they had an agreement with Orange Pi or they didn't. Either way this gives leverage to ensure my order gets fulfilled.

DoctorOetker 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

If customers in EU or the west should order on Aliexpress, isn't it misleading of Orange Lie to provide Amazon links as well?

dlcarrier 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Amazon can be rather dubious, but there's not a lot of competition to chose from. Orange Pi is far too small of a company to set up their own international payment and delivery system. I have used Ali Express, and they've been pretty good at protecting me from attempted fraud.

DoctorOetker 4 days ago | parent [-]

Their decision is their decision.

I simply report what happened to me.

Orange Pi should fulfill my order, which I paid for, and still patiently await to see the board. If they feel it is the fault of Amazon (the platform of their choice) or the distributor of their choice, they can complain there and ask them for remuneration for reputational damage and cost of unfulfilled orders.

All I know, is that I paid via the Orange Pi endorsed channel and never received the board.

I have the right to warn others.

Hiding behind front company distributors to pull of inflation postselection tricks or whatever malice or incompetence it turns out to be should not be rewarded.