Leaving aside impact to the rest of the world, America being the "leader of the free world" has benefited it immensely. Majority of the global systems were built by Americans. Everything from military power projection to global reserve currency status to pop culture has not only given the US clout and power but also a lot of wealth.

Sticking to solve their own problems is how the Chinese declined into being the "sick man of Asia" hundreds of years ago.

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0xDEAFBEAD 3 days ago | parent [-]

>America being the "leader of the free world" has benefited it immensely.

It doesn't make a difference. See this graph: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/GDP_per_...

GDP growth stayed on the same trend both before and after the US tried to "lead the free world" post-WW2.

>military power projection

That's a cost for us, not a benefit. I don't want my tax dollars to be "projecting power". I want them helping me and my fellow citizens.

>pop culture has not only given the US clout

The internet is awash in anti-American comments. Trying to "lead the free world" has destroyed our soft power.

>Sticking to solve their own problems is how the Chinese declined into being the "sick man of Asia" hundreds of years ago.

My preferred model is Switzerland, not Qing China. I'm not anti-modernization. I'm anti-imperialism. We shouldn't involve ourselves in wars or military alliances on other continents.

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throwawayqqq11 3 days ago | parent [-]

> military power projection

> That's a cost for us, not a benefit.

If id get a cent for every US-american not understanding their hegemonial privilege...

(Sorry, shouldnt be an insult. Its just so prevalent and to me, a sign of lacking self criticism on a worringly massive scale.)

Eg:

https://business.columbia.edu/research-brief/dollars-dominan...

TLDR: The US military backs the dollar as international trade currency, which puts all other nations in a depending position to lend USD. This allowed the US to cheaply amass a gigantic debt that in turn allowed ridiculous (military) budgets.

Please dont answer something like "see, we are in debt for you", since the US got material stuff in return for a fiat currency that can they can devalue on demand but had been accepted on the basis of trust and stability.

Remember when "the market got the yippies" and trump chickened out of broad tarifs? It was also because of long term allies sending a signal by liquidating US bonds:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-bond-y...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/15/us-treasurys-selloff-what-ha...

A continuing drop of bond yields could mean a collapse of the US national budgets. Thats the benedit you enjoyed for decades. Something other nations cannot do.

	▲	0xDEAFBEAD 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Also just FYI, use of sanctions against supposed bad actors like Russia has the effect of undermining the USD as a reserve currency. So it's going to go away eventually anyways. Maybe it's better to do it on our own terms.
	▲	0xDEAFBEAD 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>lacking self criticism I really don't think the US has any shortage of self-criticism. I am criticizing US policy at this very moment! It is you who defends current US policy and says it is good (for the US at least). I am the critic here. But if you really believe what you're saying about self-criticism, that's evidence for my position that the US should not play world police. If we're incapable of self-criticism, we will do a bad job at world policing. >TLDR: The US military backs the dollar as international trade currency, which puts all other nations in a depending position to lend USD. This allowed the US to cheaply amass a gigantic debt that in turn allowed ridiculous (military) budgets. "There once was a fisherman relaxing on the beach, catching just enough fish to feed his family. A businessman told him he should work hard, hire employees, catch more fish, and grow a big company—then, after many years, he could retire and live a peaceful fisherman's life. The fisherman smiled and said, ‘But isn’t that what I’m doing right now?’" Assuming you are right: We need the debt to fund our military. We need our military to borrow for our debt. Why are we playing this game, exactly? It's a cyclone of vice. Personally, I think the USD would actually be a stronger reserve currency if we reduced international adventurism. This would reduce the incentive of other nations like Russia and Israel to interfere in our politics, and thus improve our institutional stability. Switzerland is very stable, and an attractive investment destination, because it is known to be neutral. It's also not clear to me if reserve currency status is a good thing. It makes our exports less competitive, and increases our trade deficit. It's like eating cookies for every meal. Sure, you're getting a lot of calories. But it's not good for your health in the long term. If you look at the GDP trendline, it's been the same regardless of USD reserve status. So I'm additionally just not sure this matters either way. In any case, if you really believe what you are saying, you should be very happy about my advocacy, since it increases the chance that your nation's currency becomes the new reserve currency. Oh boy, your country might take on a ton of debt and become the new self-appointed world police, hated by all, with constant foreign interference in your politics! Isn't it grand?