| ▲ | suzdude 11 hours ago |
| There are multiple statements from his relatives that his family are "MAGA", his parents are Registered Republicans. https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/ty... It seems he was "raised right", with easy access to firearms and ammunition. Items not nearly as common in left voting urban areas. However, Mr. Kimmel's comments centered on the fact that his political leanings, and reasoning for the school shooting are not entirely clear. |
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| ▲ | kelnos 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > There are multiple statements from his relatives that his family are "MAGA", his parents are Registered Republicans. To be fair, that doesn't necessarily say anything about his politics. I know plenty of liberals with MAGA parents. I don't think we can draw any conclusions as to his politics at this time. |
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| ▲ | suzdude 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Exactly, which was the point Kimmel was making. Apparently that suggestion was too much for the current administration, and the official narrative must not be questioned. |
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| ▲ | barney54 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The reasoning for the shooting is pretty clear. He told his transgender lover that “I had enough of his [Kirk’s] hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26098852-tyler-robin... |
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| ▲ | suzdude 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, that's the reason to hate Kirk, not a reason to shoot him. What in his upbringing led him to believe the way to handle the situation was with violence is unclear. | | |
| ▲ | ars 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | vjjsejj 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Certainly not more creative compared to painting someone who openly supports school shootings as some sort of a martyr. | |
| ▲ | suzdude 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The school shooting that Mr. Kirk lost his life to is not, "left wing violence". Unless you want to submit that most school shootings are "right wing violence" if the shooter hated public education. |
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| ▲ | Redoubts 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > There are multiple statements from his relatives that his family are "MAGA", his parents are Registered Republicans. Most leftists despise their parents politics. None of this suggests a rightward leaning of the culprit himself. |
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| ▲ | suzdude 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Most leftists despise their parents[sic] politics. And do you have a source on that? Anecdotally, most "leftists" I know have left leaning parents. But it's up to the person to define if they are or are not "leftist", because it's a rather narrow, small minded world view that has to define things in those terms. > None of this suggests a rightward leaning of the culprit himself. Nor does it suggest his leftward leaning. Maybe it suggests why he used violence as a means to enact social change on the world. edit:spelling |
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| ▲ | fdschoeneman 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It was well known before Kimmel made his comments that the shooter was in a romantic relationship with a trans woman. Having said that, even if he did not know about that relationship it was irresponsible of Kimmel to repeat rumors he could not have known were true that the shooter was maga. |
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| ▲ | suzdude 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Except your premise is incorrect. Kimmel did not repeat rumors, he asserted that the political affiliations were unknown. edit: He asserted the "MAGA gang" trying to distance themselves from Mr. Robinson, which is true. It does not mean Kimmel views Robinson as "MAGA". | | |
| ▲ | lojban 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly, it wasn't even a joke; it's a fact. MAGA is trying to distance themselves from the killer, and so is the left. No one wants to be associated with that guy, and for good reason. | |
| ▲ | itbeho 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | He did not assert they were unknown: “We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them,” Kimmel said in his Sept. 15 monologue. | | |
| ▲ | benmmurphy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I guess that leaves the question as to why Kimmel did not say: 'We hit some new lows over the weekend when people of all political stripes were trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them'. Because that seems like it gives more information to the viewer because that is what actually happened and acknowledging people from both sides were doing the 'bad thing' should help to bring people together instead of driving people apart. | |
| ▲ | suzdude 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Correct! He never asserted what Mr. Robinson's affiliations were to begin with. I added an edit after re-reading the comments. |
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| ▲ | asdff 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Caitlyn Jenner is a trump supporter fwiw. Trans is not incompatible with conservatism despite the cognitive dissonance required to take such a stance. | |
| ▲ | foogazi 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don’t think trans people or their friends can be republican / conservative? |
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