▲ | glenstein 3 days ago | ||||||||||||||||
>Is there something so overwhelmingly devious about the TikTok format in particular that the government has to supervise it? Well, yes, for starters. I think there's a pretty strong consensus from people on all sides that there's no more addictive algorithm than the TikTok one. It's the beneficiary of powerful network effects, it created those effects for itself with a superior app, but nevertheless it is a distinguishing feature. I also would say it's culturally positioned perhaps the best of any major social media app over the present and near term. And in its current ownership it's required by statute to comply with Chinese national security data requests. And you used to not have to say this, but a culturally dominant app being leveraged by an authoritarian state goes in the not good colunm. | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | ethbr1 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
>> Are we going to be putting [US] government-appointed directors on all [US] social media companies? > And you used to not have to say this, but a culturally dominant app being leveraged by an authoritarian state goes in the not good colunm. Agreed. | |||||||||||||||||
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▲ | mullingitover 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> there's no more addictive algorithm than the TikTok one. I really have to disagree at this point. Meta has all the money in the world to throw at this, and inference isn't rocket surgery. I think Meta's algorithm caught up a couple years ago, if anything it's even more addictive. Tiktok is simply riding on first mover status, plus it's a Coke/Pepsi thing, a large segment finds Meta properties distasteful for all the obvious reasons. | |||||||||||||||||
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▲ | oblio 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> And you used to not have to say this, but a culturally dominant app being leveraged by an authoritarian state goes in the not good colunm. At the rate the US is going this will be interesting for Europe and Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc, in probably the near future. | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | giancarlostoro 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
I think its pretty obvious how and why, every other platform copied the key parts of Tik tok, youtube has shorts, and others have their own rendition. What they all miss is that this IS Tik Tok its not some additional part of Tik Tok. It's a simple UI that gives you endless content you like, they tag all the content in a meaningful way behind the scenes, and then the recommendation engine works to feed you more of what you like. | |||||||||||||||||
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▲ | nikkwong 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> but a culturally dominant app being leveraged by an authoritarian state goes in the not good colunm. I think political scholars will debate on what the net effect of this is actually going to be. As in, are we better off with the GOP or the CCP controlling the algorithm? Certainly, the CCP has anti west incentives that the GOP does not, like trying to confuse us as to how we should feel about protecting Taiwan. But in the past, the CCP has been interested in sewing discontent in the US and the method by which they have done that is by propping up the GOP. And many ways by which both the CCP and GOP would presumably manipulate the algorithm would be similar—owning libs, promoting radical right wing views, etc. But having the GOP control TikTok is a different thing entirely, they are much more incentivized to propagate their own flavor of politics to skew the nations narrative to their liking, in a much more controlled way than I think the CCP would. See twitter for prior art here. At least if TikTok is owned in the US there might be some oversight into what’s going on. As bankrupt as Mark is as a person it doesn’t seem like hes pushing his own political views into instagrams algorithm, unlike the case at twitter. I think we have yet to see how Ellison will treat the great power of controlling the TikTok algorithm but I’m cynical. | |||||||||||||||||
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