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Scaevolus 5 days ago

Should a video watched with ads blocked earn money?

taurath 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Thats the whole damn point of youtube premium

randomNumber7 4 days ago | parent [-]

It was funny how my former boss (also a software engineer) looked when I showed him that you get the same thing by installing an ad blocker ^^

naikrovek 4 days ago | parent [-]

it's not the same thing. it looks the same to you, because you don't give a shit, but it's not the same.

I want ad-free viewing on any youtube client in my house, and I do not want to maintain infrastructure to allow that. The terms of the service indicate that I should pay if I want an ad-free experience, so that's what I do.

Some unknown portion of my subscription fee goes towards the monetization of videos that I watch, which I definitely want to happen. Ad blockers don't pay people in lieu of ads, and youtube premium does.

benjiro 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I want ad-free viewing on any youtube client in my house, and I do not want to maintain infrastructure to allow that.

Firefox + Adblock/uBlock works on mobile, and desktop. If your TV blocks firefox, buy a dongle or mini-pc and use that. And way better for your privacy anyway. And a mini-pc gives you tons more capabilities like emulators etc. You literally buy those intel n100 mini-pcs for like 100 bucks.

If my 70+ years old parents can do that without my help, ... So no, need to maintain a "infrastructure" to blocks ads...

> Some unknown portion of my subscription fee goes towards the monetization of videos that I watch,

> Some unknown portion of my subscription fee goes towards the monetization of videos that I watch, which I definitely want to happen. Ad blockers don't pay people in lieu of ads, and youtube premium does.

You do realize that what Youtube pays out these days is so small amount, that most creators resorted to sponsoring. This is way more profitable for the youtubers involved. The add revenue is more like icing on a cake, not a main source of income.

And ironically, Youtube is one of the best paying platforms for creators. That is saying a lot.

If i remember correctly, for many its barely 1/5 of their actual income. There is a reason why you see those constant creator advertisement for whatever VPS service etc... and merch sales, ... that is where the money is.

Not taking in account the algorithm and its non promoting videos even if your subscribed, the constant DMCA issues where creators lose tons of money on false claims, ...

naikrovek 4 days ago | parent [-]

> Firefox + Adblock/uBlock works on mobile

Only on Android. A large portion of users are not on Android.

iamacyborg 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> it's not the same thing. it looks the same to you, because you don't give a shit, but it's not the same

I give a shit, I just give more of a shit about my personal privacy and my data not being shared with hundreds of anonymous third parties through the advertising auction mechanism than I do about a creator being paid.

Give me ads without RTB and I’ll very seriously reconsider my adblock usage.

mastercheif 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

You can use Premium with an ad blocker

gkbrk 4 days ago | parent [-]

Apparently if you did that, your views didn't count so creators didn't get anything from your money.

naikrovek 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Please tell me how analytics information about what videos you watch is an invasion of your privacy. Google already has the info, they serve it and their servers have logs which get analyzed.

it is impossible to download something from the web without a log line entry being generated, so what privacy are you losing? Please tell me.

iamacyborg 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

The RTB auction mechanism fires off personal identifiers as part of the auction mechanism to hundreds of third parties. This is problematic to me because my browsing history is being profiled by random companies I’ve never heard of or consented to process my personal data.

greycol 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Because google links that information to what you do in other places of the internet. I don't care if my church knows my favourite hymn or my sex store knows I buy sex toys, I care if my church knows I buy sex toys.

numpad0 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do people gather on YouTube because it has value, or specifically because they know it's where money is burning?

twothreeone 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

yes? It's called pay-per-view. Many creators will insert a segment in the video with a sponsor who will pay them based on their reach. These are typically not blocked, since they're inserted into the video before uploading. YouTube inserts random ads on top of that for every view (which can be blocked).

chii 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> These are typically not blocked

sponsorblock would like a word with that!

cm2187 4 days ago | parent [-]

Though that’s a bit of a dick move to use that. I don’t have a problem with the author making money, I just don’t like the tracking and the politics of youtube. Also those ads are skippable, where yt ones aren’t.

roelschroeven 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

In a way agree with that, and I don't use sponsorblock because of that, but there's another side too: sponsored segments are a dick move too. Well, probably not all of them, but certainly a lot of them. YouTubers proudly proclaiming they use the sponsored product and they are oh so happy with it is lying, most of the time, plain and simple. And the products that are advertised on YouTube are very often on the shady side of things too.

immibis 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fortunately, YouTube doesn't tell creators how many of their viewers have SponsorBlock, which means the sponsors have no way to know that either.

It was great business on YouTube's part to make customers feel adblocking is a dick move though.

Arrowmaster 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

When I see an embedded ad I will immediately know from the type of product if I should ignore it or intentionally avoid that product because most embedded ads come from the worst of the worst companies. Why would they want me watching their ad if it makes me NOT want to buy their product?

aurareturn 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Aren’t those segments deals between the creator and the sponsors and nothing to do with Youtube?

teiferer 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Indeed. But they typically are contingent on a certain number of views. If adblockers cause that stat to go down, then you get the opposite of what you are aiming to achieve: the user will see the "message from our sponsor" but their view does bot contribute to providing that sponsor with the data that the youtuber held up their end of the deal. Ends up bring an unpaid ad.

Wurdan 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Views might be important to get the attention of a potential advertising partner, but once the relationship has started then keeping it going will likely be dependent on much more relevant metrics for the advertiser. And those metrics will usually be tracked on their end, rather than via YouTube. I'm referring to metrics like click-through rate, propensity to order, revenue on advertising spend, etc. Personalized referral URLs and discount codes are what allow the advertisers to connect their tracking and reporting to the originating YouTuber.

aurareturn 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ok but Youtube shouldn't payout.

twothreeone 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

yeah, FWIU they are an increasingly popular monetization channel in addition to YT's built-in ad-rev system (which is famously very bad for creators)

*) and conveniently for YT that out-of-band monetization channel - which they don't profit from - is the exact thing that's negatively affected by an overall drop in view counts