So you want a far-left source that is broadly hated by a significant chunk of the population?

davesque 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Lol, yes. I don't want one thing, therefore I must want the complete opposite. Can you imagine for a second that I just want for the things people say to actually be consistent, rational, and defensible? No, I hate far-left talking heads just as much as I hate people like Steven Crowder. I hate them because they don't advance the conversation and their entire livelihood depends on misrepresentation and attention seeking.

There is no defensible argument that Jimmy Kimmel should have his TV show suspended based on the comments he made in that monologue.

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throwmeaway222 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Its 10 times easier to find the clip immediately from the right-aligned youtube channels. The left will not even get the clip out.

Since you brought up something about Crowder being hated by a huge percentage of the population, which was a quip that had no relevance - I decided to give you a quip that had no relevance.

But the basic reason that he should be cancelled is the following:

If Congresswoman Omar was assassinated and it turns out to be a far-right maniac, then the right, far right and moderates will all tell you - he was a far right maniac and it has to stop.

The left is basically saying I hate Charlie Kirk he deserved to die, and by the way it was your own guy.

I get that Kimmel did not say the first thing, but he repeated an extremely dis-proven concept that the shooter was right wing.

He was dating a trans person, the bullets had markings bella ciao (that was also sung in disrespect at CK vigils by the way) and his dad and other family members have confirmed he was radicalized left.

If top-level people on the left refuse to acknowledge this, it's pure lies and fake news and needs to be cancelled.

	▲	davesque 12 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Crowder being hated by a huge percentage of the population, which was a quip that had no relevance The man makes a living by antagonizing people who don't hold his views, and that's not relevant to how effective he will be at making a reasonable argument? > The left is basically saying I hate Charlie Kirk he deserved to die, and by the way it was your own guy. No, the "left" is not saying this. You're assuming it. For any such over-the-top comment you find on Xitter, or wherever, one can easily find an equally over-the-top right-leaning comment. What does this say? That maybe social media isn't the best way to discover what the average person actually thinks. > He was dating a trans person, the bullets had markings bella ciao (that was also sung in disrespect at CK vigils by the way) and his dad and other family members have confirmed he was radicalized left. All relevant details that make it hard to pin this entirely on the far-right. But he was also raised in a MAGA, gun-toting family. That makes it hard to pin this entirely on the far-left. Did his personal background make it easier for him to resort to gun violence to make his point? Could it be that his conservative family are disgusted by his relationship with a transgender person, and might choose to cast his views as being "radical left" so as to avoid any embarrassment to themselves? Yes, all these things could be. And we may know more in the days to come. For now, nobody knows. And it's very hard for liberal-minded people to feel like emphasizing the shooter's left-leaning political views isn't a veiled call to retaliatory violence from political leaders that thrive off of conflict.
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		> needs to be cancelled
	▲	fragmede 12 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> The left is basically saying I hate Charlie Kirk he deserved to die While I'm sure you can dredge up quotes to support that world-view of "the left", the people I've talked to are actually more annoyed that he's dead because his methods in debating 20 year old college students with no experience in debate was starting to unravel, but as he's dead, we won't know how that would have played out, and now he's a martyr. The real question is, where are the Epstein files? He's a comedian talking shit to power. Power shouldn't be able to cancel his show. That whole first amendment thing? Not the letter of the law, but the spirit of it. We can design an inordinately complex set of rules on what people are allowed to say in the wake of defining moments, and we can even believe that we're being logical and reasonable, but at the end of the day, the first amendment is dead. Now can we make the trains run on time?

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afavour 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, they requested a first-hand source. i.e. just the clip of Kimmel.

Might be shocking to some but it’s quite possible for a source to be neither terminally online far right nor terminally online far left. Incredible, I know.