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techdmn a day ago

One of the things I really miss about those days was the sense of optimism. We knew computers were getting more powerful, we knew they would change society, I hoped they could help make things better for people everywhere. What we got was lock-in and locked-down hardware, mass-surveillance, ad-driven content farms and the attention economy. There have been positives, but man. What a let-down.

criddell a day ago | parent | next [-]

Computers used to be fun.

IBM launched the PCjr and it was a cover story. When's the last time anybody wrote about a new desktop? I guess Apple and Framework do something interesting occasionally. Does anybody else?

Gigachad a day ago | parent [-]

Desktops are very rarely sold as complete products anymore. Basically the only market for them left is gamers who are just going to build their own from parts. Individual GPUs and etc do get articles.

The Mac mini gets quite a lot of attention considering I’ve never actually met a Mac mini user ever. Everyone picks the MacBook.

criddell 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not that computers like the PCjr were big deals (less than 300,000 of them were sold), it's that they were interesting. People talked about them.

M95D 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A lot of desktops are sold, but not to users. To companies.

CharlesW a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The industry has been around long enough to see itself become the villain. I'm sad for those who weren't around during its "hero" days. There was something special about running code copied from magazines, meeting and "trading" with like-minded people at early user group meetings, and having your mind blown by the computers and software that emerged from the tech heterogeneity of that time.

michaeldoron a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I appreciate my elders' experience, but do note that contemporary AI researchers and enthusiasts often feel similarly about AI advancements:

We watch AI models become better each month, not in ads, but in blogs and posts. While not making cover stories, new models do make the news. I was so excited when Dall-E first came out, I even hosted a guess-the-prompt party four years ago with what seems now like prehistoric-level generated images. The AI industry may face more scrutiny and criticism than the computer hardware industry of the olden days, but we even have a semblance of open source communities who are trying to democratize this for everyone.

All this to say, similar sentiments still exist in the frontier, it's just that the frontier moved.

munificent a day ago | parent [-]

In the 80s and 90s, most of the enthusiasm I saw was from nerds who just wanted to make cool stuff and share it with people. It felt like magic to make computers do things.

Much (but not all) of the enthusiasm I see with AI today seems to be from people who think it will make them rich, powerful, and freed from the apparently intolerable burden of having to interact with other humans in order to generate and consume media.

It's not the same.

plorkyeran a day ago | parent | next [-]

There are a lot of nerds out there who just want to do cool things with AI and share it with people. They're just incredibly outshouted by the people who want to get rich off AI. One of the big problems with the modern internet is that the person trying to make money off something is always going to put far more effort into self-promoting than the person doing something interesting.

I definitely enjoyed the phase of AI stuff where it wasn't actually useful yet more than the current one.

fuzztester a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree with the earlier part of your comment, but am not clear about this part:

>and freed from the apparently intolerable burden of having to interact with other humans in order to generate and consume media.

Can you explain it?

munificent 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Things like:

* A comment I saw on HN once where some dude was excited about AI video because it let him play at being a filmmaker without having to deal with actors, camera operators, etc.

* The large number of tragic souls who install chatbot apps on their phones and have virtual relationships with them instead of actual relationships.

* Spending an evening scrolling through TikTok or other social media which is increasingly AI-generated images and video instead of summoning the willpower to call a friend or get out of the house.

* Music producers who use AI vocal generators instead of finding a friend who can sing.

Etc.

AnimalMuppet a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not just "we knew they were getting more powerful". We could watch it, month to month, just by reading the ads. Every month there was an ad or three for something that I had never even dreamed you could do with a computer.

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sakesun a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We once envisioned a future of greater connection, with information flowing freely and accessible to all. The irony is that we've instead created a fragmented society where misinformation and scams flourish.

hagbard_c a day ago | parent | prev [-]

You get what you make of it and I think your description of what we have is far too negative. You can actually get out of that oppressive world, you might not be able to use the latest hardware and may need to maintain some defence against the data parasites you describe but I'm fairly content with the situation we are in running:

- old off-lease hardware providing our services

- those services are based around free software and keep our data where we can 'see' it. No Apple-Google-Meta-Microsoft-etc accounts needed or wanted.

- older laptops, notebooks, mobile devices running free software

Content filtering takes care of the advertising and other data parasites. As to 'the attention economy' that is up to you as an individual to keep out of your life. Ditch the legacy media and you're already on the right trail, find alternatives where needed and you'll be fine.

If some product is locked down you just have to refrain from using it no matter how enticing it looks, no matter how slick the advertising, no matter how heavy the group pressure. You may have to live with your text messages showing up in a different colour on the screens of those who drank the Kool-Aid, you may have to insist on using a different communication channel than the one pushed by FaceMetabook, etc.

In short there is still a bright future for those who know how coax it from the materials at hand, you'll just have to fight the parasites who always appear in thriving ecosystems. Squash them like the bugs they are and you'll be fine unless you happen to live somewhere where the state uses repressive means to keep everyone and everything under its control. If this is the case you can try to fight it, especially while they have not achieved full control and there is still a chance of turning the ship around. If not you're probably best off by moving out of that state, the world is a big place and there's likely to be some country where your skills are welcomed.

FuriouslyAdrift a day ago | parent [-]

I think the biggest difference is, in the past, technology felt "enabling" and now it feels "predatory"

ryandrake a day ago | parent [-]

Another view: in the past, when you started using a new technology, you wanted to explore it and find new ways to use it. Now, when you start using a new technology, you need to tiptoe around it and/or find ways to disable it.

hagbard_c 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Again this depends on the technology and, even more important, on the decision to even start using that technology. When confronted with some 'new technology you need to tiptoe around [...] and/or find ways to disable [...]' the decision should be to not use that technology. Home speakers, cloud-connected everything, data parasite owned doorbells, payment systems run by the same - don't use them. If you really want a 'home speaker' make one yourself, it won't be much worse than whatever you get when you allow one of those data parasite-produced spies into your home. Don't put a camera an microphone at your door which sends all images and sounds directly to the cloud,if you want a camera at your door make sure it only sends images to a network and storage you control.

Data technology has gone mainstream and with that it is used by adversarial actors, this was much less the case in the time of yore. There was no 'big data' because the storage and processing capacity to enable it did not exist while nowadays it is available to anyone who has the means - and those means are steadily going down. In biological terms data technology used to be a niche which was found by a group of critters which happily lived in their secluded valley until it suddenly spread over the whole world. With that came new opportunities - jobs galore for anyone who knew his way around - but also new threats, predators and parasites. That is where we are now so the name of the game is survival of the fittest. In other words, up your ante, ditch parasite technology and learn to thrive again. You'll have to swat some buzzing parasite every now and then, both the winged as well the branded variety. Situation Normal, All Fucked Up.