▲ | ryandrake 4 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
For the last decade or so, there's been a huge, sustained war on expertise, and an effort to undermine the public's trust of experts. Quoting an expert isn't enough for people, anymore. Everyone's skeptical unless you point them to actual research papers, and even then, some people would rather stick to their pre-existing world views and dO tHeIr OwN rEsEaRcH. Not defending this particular expert or even commenting on whether he is an expert, but as it stands, we have a quote from some company official vs. randos on the internet saying "nah-uh". | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | freedomben 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Everyone's skeptical unless you point them to actual research papers, and even then, some people would rather stick to their pre-existing world views and dO tHeIr OwN rEsEaRcH. I think saying things like "dO tHeIr OwN rEsEaRcH" contributes more to this deep distrust, because "do your own research" means different things to different people. To some people it means "read the same story from multiple sources rather than blindly trusting <whatever>" (which I think is good advice, especially nowadays), while to others it might mean "don't trust anything that anybody says, regardless of their qualifications" (which is bad advice). At a minimum, I think you should clarify what your actual position is, because the mocking way you've phrased it to me heavily implies that your position is the opposite, or "don't do your own research, just trust the experts." Don't forget that for most of history the "experts" were religious leaders. Where would we be today if nobody ever questioned that? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | potato3732842 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> there's been a huge, sustained war on expertise, and an effort to undermine the public's trust of experts. I find your verbiage particularly hilarious considering the amount of media and expert complicity that went into manufacturing the public support for the war on terror. The media has always been various shades of questionable. It just wasn't possible for the naysayers to get much traction before due to the information and media landscape and how content was disseminated. Now, for better or worse, they laymen can read the bible for themselves, metaphorically speaking. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | foolswisdom 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You make it sound like the newspapers/companies are un-culpable for that effect. I believe it to be the case because I've seen cases were a newspaper presents a narrative as fact when those involved know very well it's just someone's spin for their own benefit. See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect>. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | dotnet00 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It's been a failure from both sides, attack on expertise and education from regressive elements, media abusing 'experts say' to produce all sorts of clickbait, experts choosing political/PR/convenience over honesty/sincerity and people who are not experts claiming to be experts (the situation here, or where they ask a 'smart guy' like a pop-physicist to talk about something they aren't actually an expert in) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | losvedir 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I mean, you are effectively defending this particular expert, with your insinuation that the public should be more trusting of people framed as experts like this. As someone moderately knowledgeable in this area and moderately skeptical of CrowdStrike, the claim a priori seems far fetched to me. You can't say there's a war on expertise and then turn around and say "whether or not the person portrayed by this WaPo article as an expert is an expert or is correct...". | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | iinnPP 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The problem with expertise is anyone can be an expert. I would challenge the integrity of anyone claiming any field has precisely zero idiots. |