Tesla is still at level 2 autonomy, whereas Waymo is at level 4.

It doesn't appear Tesla can achieve level 3 autonomy given Musk's ideological opposition to lidar. Without lidar, the AI has to be 100% accurate, and it's not and won't be for the foreseeable future.

As they say in Maine, "You can't get there from here."

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Rover222 2 days ago | parent [-]

The level 2 vs 4 thing is a technicality and fairly misleading, Teslas can already operate in a much wider range of roads and conditions. Waymo is still on guardrails. Mercedes touted "level 4" but you had to be following another car, going slow, etc etc. General autonomy is what matters.

I trust Karpathy when it comes to lidar vs vision. Do you shoot lasers out of your head to drive?

	▲	nradov 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		LIDAR sensors are getting cheaper faster than camera-based autonomous driving software is improving. I predict that in a few years, regular luxury cars that are still mostly human driven will come with LIDAR for collision avoidance and improved driver situational awareness. Just like they already use RADAR for the same purpose today.