> That's my point, there's no nefarious plot here, it's just dumb laws to solve real problems.

You don't know the plot any more than we do. Whether the current government is nefarious or not is quite irrelevant.

Chat Control is a surveillance and censorship tool that we're being pinkie-promised will only be used "for good". In reality it is a tool which can be repurposed for domestic oppression, political persecution, and crowd control overnight at the government's sole discretion.

> everyone is just pushing back on conspiracy grounds.

That's not a conspiracy, that's just a factual statement about the indiscriminate capabilities of this technology. Governments across the world have a near-100% track record of abusing their power. It's not a matter of "if", it's only a matter of "when".

Otherwise what should we do next? Abolish freedom of speech? You wouldn't be silly enough to believe that the government would imprison you for your political speech, would you? That's conspiratorial thinking.

> That's not going to win over the average person.

Why should we care? If the fact of the matter has been explained to them and they're still gullible enough to give up their most essential civil liberties in exchange for nothing, they're a lost cause and a waste of time.

I don't count on the average village idiot to save the day here, I expect the EU courts to strike the law because it clearly violates the charter of fundamental human rights.

Sovereign governments already hold the ultimate power in society. By your reasoning any and all laws are an attack on your liberty.