| ▲ | nerdponx 4 days ago |
| I don't think listening to or watching something entertaining while doing something unpleasant or boring or uncomfortable is an example of dopamine stacking. It's just a distraction technique that helps you take your mind off the aspects of it that you don't want to think about or be aware of. Listening to music or a podcast while you work or exercise is a completely normal, non-dopamine stacking, thing to do. In the past, before radio and recorded music, people daydreamed or sang to accomplish the same goal. |
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| ▲ | brailsafe 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > In the past, before radio and recorded music, people daydreamed or sang to accomplish the same goal. Call it pain avoidance or dopamine stacking, they're probably both apt, but there's a difference in degree between the level of control and personalization and dependence between humming a tune or listening to a stationary giant radio and the current state of not being able to do anything remotely unstimulating or arduous like standing on a train or going to sleep without a distraction; how normal it is seems like logical fallacy, It's also pretty normal for people to spend 5 hours a day looking at their phones, not have made any friends in adulthood outside school, or have any romantic prospects. I find it funny/depressing that I've been asked at least 3 times why I don't wear headphones at the gym. If you can pull a lever or click a button and take your mind of something you've never let become less painful, how important is the distinction? |
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| ▲ | pessimizer 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Daydreaming and singing to yourself is not entertaining. It's just something that an unstimulated brain does. To get to that destimulated place is the object imo - where what you're doing is so habitual that every step seems like a breath, and you only notice the ones you miss. I remember before I learned the basics of cooking how hard everything was, and how much I had to concentrate. These days I'll spend 20 minutes cooking something, plate it and go to the bathroom, and have forgotten what I cooked before seeing it again. I remember when I was learning Spanish, and every successful paragraph I read merited a celebration, and now I sometimes can't remember whether something I read was in Spanish or English an hour after I've read it. My biggest improvement in writing came after I stopped listening to music while doing it. Get it over with, then listen to music. Once you get into the habit, it's like taking a nap not having a party. I remember a factory I worked at in my 20s where I got up to doing 76 hour weeks with no days off because I was so good at what I was doing, I entered a timeless place. There was no time to get bored in. I'm sure I might have hummed, but I wouldn't remember. I certainly wasn't thinking about anything important; those machines could have ripped my hands off. |
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| ▲ | HeatrayEnjoyer 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | >Daydreaming and singing to yourself is not entertaining. This is such a case study of a HN comment. | | |
| ▲ | djtango 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Not to take away from your meta comment but there's something to be said about the mind originating content from a place of wandering versus having content blasted at you from an external source. | | |
| ▲ | codyb 4 days ago | parent [-] | | There's a place for both. Sometimes I listen to music and dance around while I crank out tasks that require some thought, but not a ton. And other times for really menial tasks like cleaning I'll zone out cause my mind can truly wander during those moments (cause putting the dishes away is full autopilot, where things like... writing some tests might be a bit more... autopilot, a bit of thought, autopilot, etc). There is an absolute ton of value in letting your brain wander. And finally, for certain tasks, it's either very quiet classical or none at all cause it's just fully focused thought about larger problem spaces that need to be fleshed out. And I think, if you listen to the same library or playlists a lot, your brain may start to associate it with working. But I really have no idea what I'm talking about, so who knows! | | |
| ▲ | djtango 4 days ago | parent [-] | | The same library or playlist is good - I used that trick for time tracking when I was training for the marathon. Had a eclectic playlist where I would start with some quite chill Mozart because I would always start too fast and needed to pace myself for example then after the 2/2.5 hr mark is when I'd usually start to fade and some prog rock would come on to boost my spirits. Funnily I have banned listening to classical for most coding but that's a me problem because I end up listening too closely and analysing the music and performance too much. But that's just because I'm a classical nerd |
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| ▲ | hoherd 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | "You can't make money dreaming, or I'd be a millionaire" https://youtu.be/RKemw7plB2g New startup idea! |
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| ▲ | coldtea 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Daydreaming and singing to yourself is not entertaining. It's just something that an unstimulated brain does. That's not even remotely true. People also do it for entertainment and are entertained when they do it, like all the time. | |
| ▲ | kaashif 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think singing is fun. I've never worked 76 hour weeks though. | |
| ▲ | hn_acc1 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've never been able to write (code or prose) while listening to music. I get too distracted. OTOH, watching a TV show (or listening to music) really helps with exercising (both starting, and pushing myself). YMM (and probably does) V. | |
| ▲ | jamiek88 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Daydreaming and singing to yourself is not entertaining Wow. I couldn’t disagree more daydreaming for me is very powerful and actually too entertaining. I can space out on a ten hour flight literally only daydreaming, no media needed. (Although now I at least hold an iPad as a few people have remarked upon how creepy it is me starting into space hahaha.) It’s my favorite activity and actually a bit maladaptive. |
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