How does this compare with Pulumi? AFAIK they also don't have a state file and relay on an external database to store state. Is your locking granularity better?

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lawnchair 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know enough about Pulumi to make a fair comparison on locking granularity. Pulumi's model is pretty different from Terraform/OpenTofu in general and state management is only one part of that. We're focused on optimizing the Terraform execution model and making the state layer match the graph semantics it already uses.

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johanneskanybal 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think that’s the article but tl;dr that’s only part of the problem and already widly adopted with mutexes in say dynamo or whatever flavor you chose. This is about not having global locks or 10 arbitary random locks per subdomain but rather figuring out the exact resources affected and locking only those.

Sounds very neat if you’re an big enough org.

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cyberpunk 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean take this with a grain of salt and purely anecdotal; but everywhere I've heard of who chose pulumi over tf are no long using pulumi. I'd love to hear some opposing experiences to that though!

	▲	cedws 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I was in a platform team using Pulumi (TypeScript) for a while. An issue I observed is that the team members with weaker programming skills were contributing not so great changes, and parts of the codebase diverged in style. The Output type also took some time for us to get our heads round and it felt awkward to work with, we were having to chain a lot of calls and had callback hell sometimes. We were all experienced with Go but at the time the Go SDK was very awkward, although I think some of that has been resolved with generics now. TF is less expressive but I think that’s actually better for 99% of cases.
	▲	angio 5 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I'm also in the camp that stopped using Pulumi, in part because despite the lack of state file it feels even more sluggish than tf.