I'm sorry, but you sound like the people who try to get me take ivermectine for Covid. "just get it off label" or "tell the doctor you just got back from pauea new guinea and saw worms in your stool."

I know you are very well intentioned, but American's actually have very good doctors.

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loeg 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

This is very different from recommending horse dewormer; if you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry.

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gblargg 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

In case you aren't aware, horse de-worming is just one use of ivermectin. The fact that it's used for that doesn't make it merely a horse de-wormer.

> Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug. After its discovery in 1975, its first uses were in veterinary medicine to prevent and treat heartworm and acariasis. Approved for human use in 1987, it is used to treat infestations including head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis and lymphatic filariasis. It works through many mechanisms to kill the targeted parasites, and can be taken by mouth, or applied to the skin for external infestations.] It belongs to the avermectin family of medications.

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pyuser583 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I'm in my doctor's office, and the doctor is saying "don't do that" it is quite hard to tell the difference.

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loeg 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Did you actually ask your doctor and receive that guidance, or is this purely a hypothetical?

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pyuser583 4 days ago | parent [-]

Multiple times. I’ve specifically asked about this vaccine again and again.

I’ve had a few GPs in the past 20 years. They’re consistent.

I admit it’s weird. And ideologically I feel like a bit of a laggard.

But I’ve had both the conversation with my doctor, and the conversation with online “smart people who know better than my doctor” many times.

	▲	loeg 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Ok, great. I'm just asking people to have that conversation.

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mensetmanusman 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ivermectin is also used by dermatologists to fight face parasites that cause bad acne.

	▲	pyuser583 4 days ago \| parent [-]
		Ivermectin is also used to treat COVID in countries that have endemic parasite outbreaks. COVID responds well to steroids, but so do parasites. Giving steroids to someone with parasites causes the parasites to become much stronger, and trigger reactions from the immune system: fever, etc. I ideally you could test for parasites, but time and resources don't allow for that in many countries. So if it's generally safe to just give ivermectin along with steroids when treating COVID - in countries where parasites are common. Maybe I'm wrong about this. Maybe I'm making it up. Don't listen to what I say. Listen to your doctor.

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Spooky23 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It more like “I’d rather not have a current or future partner go through a painful LEEP procedure or cervical cancer because I exposed her to HPV”

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iamtheworstdev 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> American's actually have very good doctors

Doctors aren't setting the rules on who gets what vaccine and when. RFK Jr is. Health insurance companies are.

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pyuser583 4 days ago | parent [-]

RFK Jr wasn't doing anything worth talking about during the multiple times in the past 15 years my doctors have told me it wasn't recommended.

Please do not turn mainstream medical advice into a fringe position.

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strictnein 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's a standard vaccine for preteen/teen boys now too. If your doctor has been telling you not to get it for the past 15 years, they've been doing you a disservice.

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pyuser583 4 days ago | parent [-]

I haven’t been a preteen boy for the past 15 years.

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rcruzeiro 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I got 3 doses of gardasil at 37 in Norway. I do not want to expose women to a potentially deadly virus (plus I’d also like to avoid having penile cancer and mouth/throat cancer myself). If your doctor is seriously advising you against taking the vaccine, you should consult another doctor for a second opinion.

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pyuser583 3 days ago | parent [-]

I trust my doctor ... he's not some quack. I've looked online (multiple times over the years) and he's simply applying federal guidelines.

Family members have died from cervical cancer so I get it. I also made sure my younger children received this vaccine.

There a ton of vaccines I could seek out. Why HPV specifically?

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rcruzeiro 2 days ago | parent [-]

> There a ton of vaccines I could seek out. Why HPV specifically?

Assuming you are not commenting in bad faith, my reasons are in my original comment: "I do not want to expose women to a potentially deadly virus (plus I’d also like to avoid having penile cancer and mouth/throat cancer myself)."

	▲	pyuser583 a day ago \| parent [-]
		And I really don’t either. Close relatives have died from cervical cancer. I care about it a lot. Ideologically it feels weird, but when the doctor says it’s not recommended, what do I say? I’ve never fallen in the recommended categories. I’ve been to doctors overseas where I do fall in the recommended categories, but even they say to follow the advice off my “home practitioner.” And while I’m at it, how do I generalize the ethics behind this? Which medicines should I ignore doctors advice and take anyway?