Tesla's self-driving technology is a joke compared to Waymo's and the Tesla brand is extremely toxic now. I see from your other comments that you're big on Tesla (own several and have a son who works there) but as an unbiased observer I cannot fathom them winning this market.

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LanceJones 3 days ago | parent [-]

I have 2 AI4 Teslas with FSD, and I don't find V13.2.9 lacking at all in the Vancouver area. V14 will be a 10x increase in parameters, too. Why do you feel it's a "joke"?

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minwcnt5 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's a "joke" (I wouldn't call it that, but it's a vastly different product) because you have to pay attention to the road at all times.

You don't live in a Waymo city, so I understand. A lot of people who don't live in a Waymo city don't really get it.

Waymo is a completely different product than FSD. It's a robot that comes and drives you from point A to point B. You can do whatever you want while it's driving, such as take a nap or work on your laptop.

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Fricken 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tesla was SAE level 2 in 2013, and they are still SAE level 2. Waymo's Robotaxis are SAE level 4, and they can drive on public roads empty with no human supervision, both technically and legally.

	▲	senordevnyc 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Also safely.

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umanwizard 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> I have 2 AI4 Teslas with FSD

That is false. No Tesla is capable of full self-driving.

Mandatory supervision by a human on the driver’s seat is not full self-driving, no matter how much Elon insists on calling it that.