If the batteries are big enough, also that is possible.

Many things are technically possible. Fewer things are economically practical. Does Europe have the capacity to manufacture batteries that are big enough? How much will that cost and how many years will it take? A few local small-scale demonstration projects don't tell us much about the difficulties of scaling up by orders of magnitude. Have you actually done the math on this or are you just repeating platitudes?

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kieranmaine 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> A few local small-scale demonstration projects don't tell us much about the difficulties of scaling up by orders of magnitude.

The UK is forging ahead with large scale battery storage projects. I have not done the math, but I assume there is a sound economic case in order for these projects to receive this level of investment.

Edit: Here's some more data on revenue for battery storage in the UK [3]

[1] https://www.solarpowerportal.co.uk/battery-storage/statera-u...

[2] https://www.solarpowerportal.co.uk/battery-storage/fidra-ene...

[3] https://modoenergy.com/research/gb-research-roundup-january-...

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lukan 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, I have done the math. Thing is, if you ignore the climate, coal and co is still cheaper. That's why it is still used so much. If you factor in climate costs, things are different.

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8note 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Does Europe have the capacity to manufacture batteries that are big enough?

why is this relevant? clearly europe can also buy from outside of europe.

the nice thing about batteries is you dont need a new battery for each watt, compared to needing gas.

the simplest thing is to keep buying russian gas, and also pay ukraine to attack russia. no need to change anything or do any new buildouts whether thats batteries or in US LNG export terminals+european import terminals. those also take time where the russian fuel is readily available. the russian invasion isnt gonna last forever, so a move to US gas is wasted investment when europe can move back to Russian gas eventually anyways

	▲	Sabinus 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Apart from the obvious advantages of cheap energy, the reason Europe bought so much Russian gas is the theory that interconnected economies don't go to war. Now that Europe considers Russia a belligerent threat even after Nordstream was completed the reintegration might not happen.