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The Rise and Fall of the British Detective Novel (2010)(historytoday.com)
50 points by Caiero 6 days ago | 23 comments
nicolaslem 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

In case you are not aware, most of the titles discussed in the article are available for free as high quality ebooks at https://standardebooks.org because they are in the public domain. I have read way too many detective novels since discovering this website.

alkyon 2 days ago | parent [-]

Which of them did you like best? Apart from obvious choices like Poe, Doyle or Christie.

rramadass 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sherlock Holmes said it best :-)

“Pshaw, my dear fellow, what do the public, the great unobservant public, who could hardly tell a weaver by his tooth or a compositor by his left thumb, care about the finer shades of analysis and deduction! But, indeed, if you are trivial, I cannot blame you, for the days of the great cases are past. Man, or at least criminal man, has lost all enterprise and originality. As to my own little practice, it seems to be degenerating into an agency for recovering lost lead pencils and giving advice to young ladies from boarding-schools.

-- From "The Adventure of the Copper Beeches" in The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes.

Every kid should be given a copy of the complete Sherlock Holmes canon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_of_Sherlock_Holmes) This will turn them towards learning and practicing "The Art of Deduction (or Ratiocination according to Edgar Allan Poe)" like nothing else and will directly lead to them understanding the importance of Logic and Science/Mathematics in today's world.

For example, as a kid growing up in 80s India, i read whatever i could get my hands on (eg. Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Enid Blyton, Alistair Maclean, Desmond Bagley, Frederick Forsyth etc. etc.) but none of them really made a mark. Then somebody gave me a copy of "The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes" and i was zapped. Here was somebody who focused on reasoning and showed you the steps involved. Of course once you grew-up you realized that much of the "Deductions" were far-fetched/implausible but nevertheless the fire was lit. It directly led to my interest in Science/Mathematics and then a career in Software (much of Holmes' methods are directly applicable to Debugging).

ggm 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A bit all over the place. If you include bond, which is not detective fiction but exclude rebus which is ... I mean sure, it's a nice read, but crime fiction is alive and well.

Robert Harris comes to mind too.

If the point is that whodunit has moved on, so has almost every other genre.

sharkjacobs 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Casino Royale isn't cited as an example of golden age English detective fiction, the article suggests that books like Casino Royale, "with twists at every turn" and "overt depictions of sex and violence" were part of a new style of popular fiction which displaced the classical English detective story

101008 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crime fiction is not just alive and well, it's at the top of bestseller. Robert Galbraith's new book (The Hallmarked Man) was #1 in the bset seller list, with almost 50k copies sold (one of the most sold books of the year). And it's #8 in the Cormoran Strike series.

KnuthIsGod 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

"The Hallmarked Man is a crime fiction novel written by the British author J. K. Rowling, and published under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith.

Released on 2 September 2025, it is the eighth book in the Cormoran Strike series of detective fiction novels, following The Running Grave."

bcraven 3 days ago | parent [-]

We're getting ai summaries on HN now?

mft_ 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Hard to interpret that example, since the popularity of “Robert Galbraith” is strongly driven by who the author really is.

wiether 3 days ago | parent [-]

If it was trash, I doubt that it would still be a best-seller on its book #8 on the series, twelve years in.

Furthermore, given what's surrounding its author, there's a non-negligible part of the readers community that won't read it, just because of its author. And it can be seen as _risky_ to read anything she publishes. During a party, someone decided to stop talking to me once I told I was currently reading a book in the series (we were discussing our current reading, so I wasn't trying to do anything smart here). On the other hand, I doubt there's people still buying her books just to _own the libs_.

Sure, it helped launching the series, but if there's still thousands people reading it after more than a decade, maybe it's because those people like it. Maybe.

mft_ 15 hours ago | parent [-]

We can disagree.

1) In the grand scheme of world literature, JKR’s books are comparative trash. It’s also well-established that the first book was not successful until the real identity of the author was shared.

2) Harry Potter (and all of the related activity) is still hugely popular, despite JKR’s unpleasant views and behaviour related to trans people. Most people in the world aren’t locked into the online zeitgeist.

benrutter 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think there's a good argument that a "fall" happened. Only a decade after the "golden age" of detective novels, you hace a situation where a lot of once best-selling author's are no longer being published.

But like you point out, there's been a zillion other "rises" too. Maybe a more acurate but much longer article would be "the rise and fall and rise and fall and rise [...] of the British detective novel"

ggm 2 days ago | parent [-]

Exactly this.

timoth3y 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The TV series Columbo was a brilliant inversion of the British deceive story. Naturally, every story started with an upper-class murder, but from the start the audience was shown who the killer was and how the crime was committed.

The "mystery" was how the detective was going to figure it out.

B1FF_PSUVM a day ago | parent [-]

It's called an "inverted mystery", originated by R. Austin Freeman in 1909.

There's a good piece on that form here: https://mysteriesahoy.com/2019/01/26/five-to-try-inverted-my...

benrutter 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For anyone who's a big fan of the classic "puzzle mystery" type novel (I am so much I named a python library after it[0])- I would massively recommend also checking out some works in the Japanese Honkaku canon[1]. It's heavily inspired by the likes of Christie, Sayers, Marsh but with a heavy emphasis on "fair play", and also often, a lot more gore.

[0] https://github.com/benrutter/wimsey / https://codeberg.org/benrutter/wimsey

[1] https://killerthrillers.net/honkaku-detective-fiction/

palmfacehn 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Someone here mentioned the David Audley series by Anthony Price. I enjoyed it and will recommend it again. Although the starting premise is espionage, the stories are all detective mysteries. The plot is always intertwined with historical periods of Britain.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/59006-dr-david-audley-colon...

scrumper 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The classic stories described in the article may have died out in print form, but many of the tropes live on healthily in British TV. There's a vast range of charismatic, rationally insightful detectives to choose from. Granted, a lot of them are police officers which isn't true to the spirit of the article, but many are amateurs. I saw the genre referred to once as "cosy mystery" which pretty much hits it on the head (with, presumably, a candlestick.)

glenngillen 2 days ago | parent [-]

Do you mean like Ludwig? What else? I'm not in the UK, so often only see the best of British TV after someone has recommended it to me and I can go hunt it out.

wiether 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Robert Harris

Ann Cleeves

Robert Galbraith

Richard Osman

Tim Sullivan

Janice Hallett

Ian Rankin

JR Ellis

Alexander McCall Smith

And those are authors I'm reading because they were featured on some Kindle lists.

mc3301 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.athabascau.ca/syllabi/cmns/cmns358.html

This course, which I took a while back, was curiously extremely focused on pulp detective novels. I got the sense that it was a tenured professors hobby or something. Interesting, nonetheless.

FridayoLeary 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

ot but sherlock holmes, the most popular detective of them all spends several years of his life working for British counter espionage before ww1, thwarting his German rival. This before mi5 existed! I find it remarkable how conan doyle also managed to pioneer the spy novel genre.

Kurtz79 3 days ago | parent [-]

Sherlock Holmes stories are very interesting to read in order because they span a good 40 years. The first stories are set in the classic Victorian setting with horses and carriages and in the later ones the first cars appear, WW1 happens, etc…