| My point is that the list should include more of those stations with China, India, as well as various South Asian countries such as Indonesia in mind. As in, not necessarily artificially dethroning Shinjuku, but as in someone should just take all public per-station boarding/disembarking data(I think even China would not have issues with that so long it's genuinely compiled for scientific research purposes), run it through LLM or something to build a big CSV of all train stations on the world, sort that, and take top hundreds. This type of crowdsourced review work is only done for Japan due to Japan being Japan for better and worse - e.g. having high mental shares, thin and wide basic knowledge of English, having obsessive cultures, etc etc, and I can't believe it's simple reflection of reality, even accounting for such things as the first point in your comment in mind. |
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| ▲ | numpad0 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | It gives me mild itches when this country feels a bit overrated or way overblown or 7-11's Jiro analogue shrinkflates yet again, since it's kind of where I live. Constantly humiliating national prides of e.g. French people with random JR facts just doesn't sound like a good thing to me. | | |
| ▲ | nornij 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Interesting. I guess if I spent more time online on social media, maybe I'd feel the same. I also live in Japan and while there is a lot that I agree is overrated about Japan, especially from the vantage point of those online who don't have actual experience living here, I also choose to stay and live here because there are many facets that I truly do like and are not overrated. There is a lot thats different, but I've learned to understand that it is just that, different, not necessarily good or bad. Its especially easy to fall into the good or bad type of thinking if I think relative to the standards of the culture of where I'm originally from, understanding that my culture is also what colors my own lens about the world and that it is not as logical as it is imbued from childhood. That type of thinking, because it is relative between cultures, also has a tendency toward perceptions of cultural superiority/inferiority. And that'll tickle a very primitive, tribal, and emotional part of our brains. If you feel that comments give you mild itches and essentially an emotional reaction, then its probably not healthy for you to constantly search and engage. I personally just avoid things about Japan on English social media because its quite bad. I was curiously browsing this site and stumbled upon some threads about Japan, and it just feels like the same, no matter the more serious crowd on here. The dichotomy of Japan worshippers and Japan naysayers, they are to me, two sides of the same coin. I prefer to engage outside and try and view differences holistically, to try and see the inherent benefits of something that is different. | | |
| ▲ | numpad0 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I guess I just want Japan to be truly a part of this planet and part of the human society, not a virtual dreamworld Timbuktu beyond the Gate only accessible by embarking high-tech Boeing aerospace product. That's what the Japanese government always wanted to since coal-powered US gunships appeared out of nowhere, after all. Squatting top 18/20 of top 10 busiest stations list don't help achieving that goal. I sort of also feel that East Asia is underrated while at it. I don't mean to artificially undermine this country, nor look down on anyone. I just naively believe, better data drive us forward faster. And the data at hand don't really look down to Earth. So it gives me an itch. You're right that I shouldn't be addicted to social media. I know, I shouldn't be... | | |
| ▲ | nornij an hour ago | parent [-] | | Before I disappear into the ether, I will just say its best to not engage with such diatribe on the internet. I say that for your sanity. I've observed that discussions of foreign cultures online tend to devolve into ethnocentrism, with exchanges hinting at cultural superiority/inferiority. If I were to hazard a guess, Japan is particularly prone to this on English social media given its rising popularity and how little overlap it has with western cultures. When a culture is fundamentally different, its distinguishing features show through more on the surface, because they are naturally manifestations of the differing underlying values. Again, none of it is about good/bad, correct/wrong, superior/inferior. Just different. Like flavors of icecream. They say outrage is addicting. These online discussions are particularly addicting in a pernicious way, probably because any feeling of threat to one's own cultural identity (i.e. one's tribe) will stoke the fires on the most basic parts of our human psychology. Engage enough times and start taking sides on cultural judgement/appraisal, and you'll probably end up feeling constantly triggered for no reason from minor instigations online (intentional or ignorant). Now combine that feeling of outrage with scrollable access. To me, it is no wonder that there are many stories nowadays of ordinary people that become radicalized online. I remind myself that various cultures exist worldwide that reflect different values. Comparisons and feelings of superiority/inferiority exist separately from that. So I generally try to avoid hints of such discourse online that tend to confound these things, though I still come across it in random places when I'm not looking for it, and admittedly that urge to join in arises. In real life, I have relationships that come from a place of understanding, that are more complex than online diatribes about cultures. A far more rich set of interactions with individual personalities, both Japanese and non-Japanese. I can only hope that enough AI drivel will lead to critical mass of brainrot online and force us to engage outside more. |
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