Same for Uber, which sends both important order updates and marketing as push notifications.

https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... says "before you send [marketing push] notifications to people, you must receive their explicit permission to do so".

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latexr a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Uber, which sends (…) marketing as push notifications.

Apple themselves have started doing that, so zero chance of the rule being enforced.

> https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... says

Those are the Human Interface Guidelines, which are basically suggestions on how to make a proper app. They don’t impact policy and Apple has been shitting on them for years now. Liquid Glass breaks so many rules it’s not even funny. What you want to link to is the App Review Guidelines, specifically 4.5.4.

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#4.5...

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ceejayoz a day ago | parent [-]

4.5.4 is more important, and agrees with the "you must" bit in the HIG.

"Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges."

> Apple themselves have started doing that

Well, it's their platform. They've their own internal rules and app review processes, one would presume. Like how the cops can shoot people, but I can't.

	▲	latexr a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> 4.5.4 is more important That’s the one I wanted to link to. Fixed. Thank you. > and agrees with the "you must" bit in the HIG. I know. The point is that the HIG is not used to enforce app policy, the App Review Guidelines are. > They've their own internal rules and app review processes, one would presume. Which is exactly why they are in trouble with governments around the world. > Like how the cops can shoot people, but I can't. Cops can’t just shoot people (well, maybe in the US?), they have to have a reason. In any civilised nation, a cop who shoots a random person doesn’t just get a pat on the back and a thumbs up. They are meant to be public servants who help enforce the law, not vigilantes who stand above it.
	▲	lenkite a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Like how the cops can shoot people, but I can't. This would be the same as the cops owning a monopoly business for profit and shooting anyone who competes with them. If Apple stops making their own apps for their platform, then yes, your analogy would make sense.

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kmlx a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Same for Uber, which sends both important order updates and marketing as push notifications.

can be disabled via:

settings > communication > push notifications

but the worst part is when they add a new category (eg uber teen accounts) and surprise it’s enabled by default.

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OptionOfT a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same with CVS and BMW. Neither of them have an opt-out. I say opt-out because probably in one of the 2342 pages of legalize I opted in.

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reaperducer a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Same for Uber, which sends both important order updates and marketing as push notifications.

Ditto New York Times "Breaking News" alerts pushing features that were published a week ago, but didn't get enough traction for some editor.