> Corporations actively use addiction and psychological manipulation. They're not just passively filling consumer wants.

Are you suggesting people have a plastic bag addiction? What exactly are the plastic bag manufacturers doing that is unethical? Let's use real examples instead of vague accusations. I'm not going to start with your assumptions that corporations are all evil and are definitely doing bad stuff so you're going to need to cite examples about this specific case.

> By your analogy, drug dealing should be legal because it gives the people what they want.

How much of the harm of drugs comes from the illegality of the market? What of the drugs that are legal, why aren't they so harmful? There's a great case study about the effects of black markets when the US banned alcohol, caused a massive surge in organized crime, then reversed the ban and solved the problem they created.

Drugs cause harm. So do cars, so do plastic bags, so do knives, so do guns, etc. Harm to users/consumers sometimes a good reason, sometimes not, to make things illegal.

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odie5533 a day ago | parent [-]

Do you work for a plastic bag company?

The American Progressive Bag Alliance (representing Novolex, Hilex Poly, Superbag, and Advance Polybag) has:

- Spent $6+ million fighting California's bag ban through misleading ballot measures https://resource-recycling.com/plastics/2016/08/17/plastic-b...

- Funded studies claiming reusable bags harbor dangerous bacteria (while omitting that washing eliminates this) https://archive.is/p7Qza

- Sued cities implementing bag bans, forcing expensive legal defenses https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/plastic-bags-have-l...

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parineum a day ago | parent [-]

> Spent $6+ million fighting California's bag ban through misleading ballot measures

"Misleading". 6m is hardly anything in a CA election. The article even agrees, “[The $6.1 million spent by manufacturers] is big money, but in California, for 17 ballot measures, it’s essentially petty cash,” he said.

How much evil money did the ban supporters spend? It's funny how negative you phrase the actions taken by the side you don't support.

And yet the ban exists.

> Funded studies claiming reusable bags harbor dangerous bacteria (while omitting that washing eliminates this)

I know lots of people that use re-useable cloth bags that don't wash them. How many studies did the environmental lobbies spend proving that plastic is horrible, ignoring the fact that most retailers simply replace cheap plastic bags with heavy duty "re-useable" plastic?

> Sued cities implementing bag bans, forcing expensive legal defenses

Nobody should sue cities now? That's pretty rich considering how often governments are sued by environmental groups.

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odie5533 a day ago | parent [-]

You skipped my question.

Do you work for a plastic manufacturer or are otherwise involved in plastic use or manufacturing?

	▲	parineum a day ago \| parent [-]
		No. Believe it or not, everyone who disagrees with you isn't a shill.