Our governments have hoodwinked the population into believing that society needs to be surveilled by the government to prevent crime, and not the other way around. We're forgetting who signed off on this whole thing.

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dmesg a day ago | parent [-]

The central problem here is this:

In the Physicists from 1961 (German: Die Physiker, F. Dürrenmatt) the central theme is that scientists cannot "uninvent" something. Encryption is here to stay. Mathematically proven. Period.

The criminals will just flock to the "real encryption" and not the honeypots/backdoored messengers as they are being caught. In the end word of mouth will spread: "This is safe, this is unsafe."

Just because a few Kremlin bots on Telegram are brainwashing people in the west, the west doesn't have to become North Korea.

Defending the innocent law abiding adult Joe, just wanting to send their honey pics in private is a distractor in this argument. I will not sacrifice my western standards just because 0.1% people are inherently evil.

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FridayoLeary a day ago | parent [-]

>The criminals will just flock to the "real encryption" and not the honeypots/ backdoored messengers as they are being caught. In the end word of mouth will spread: "This is safe, this is unsafe."

Actually the opposite seems to be true. Criminal gangs are particularly susceptible to honeypots precisely because they don't trust the mainstream services.

2 prominent example was that huge sting operation a couple of years back where a supposedly "secure" service was being run by the FBI. And then you have the infamous pager plot, which is admittedly very different but it perfectly illustrates how shaky alternative communications can be.

>Just because a few Kremlin bots on Telegram are brainwashing people in the west, the west doesn't have to become North Korea.

From the hysteria this has generated you would think it was the most crippling threat western democracy has faced since communism.

	▲	dmesg a day ago \| parent [-]
		Oh really? https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366617630/German-court-f... Actually the reality was the honeypots were illegal to use as evidence in court. So these criminals are now smarter and more dangerous as we taught them OPSEC.