A bit of context for Americans: the Europe is under a hybrid multi-vector attack from the Evil Axis (China, Russia, Iran, Hungary, etc.).

People are too occupied with ideas of their own comfort and liberty. For everyone who thinks this is such a basic black and white question...

We are on the doorstep of WWIII. China, working through Russia, Iran, Hungary, and others, has built a network of influence proxies.

They use liberty and security as tools to conduct hybrid attacks. Their goal is to undermine the unity of the West, one by one.

Look at the recent extremely well-coordinated multi-vector hybrid attack on Poland.

Some attack vectors:

1. Military vector: They sent military drones to monitor reactions—political, military, etc. It's a milary act but not strong enough to have a military response. Drones had Polish sim cards, and used Telegram protocol to mask their traffic to a simple chat.

2. Political Vector. Vote of no confidence. Once Ursula and the EU decided to respond asymmetrically, they deployed one of their assets, Hungarian Orbán. They tried to remove Ursula, who was advocating for a firm response.

3. Informational Vector. They also started distributing false flag conspiracy theories claiming it was Ukraine, not Russia, who sent the drone. It's a tactic of small bites and proxy attacks internally, spreading propaganda and false narratives.

This is just one of such attacks. Imagine yourself a government worker, trying to fight that. Where left and right your colleagues got bribed , threatent, etc. and you can't even find proofs against them. Your enemy on contrary, knows everything about everyone in their country.

> Political Vector. Vote of no confidence. Once Ursula and the EU decided to respond asymmetrically, they deployed one of their assets, Hungarian Orbán. They tried to remove Ursula, who was advocating for a firm response.

Ursula faced a vote of no confidence (with 2 more in October) because she's unfit to lead EU.

Far right and far left in EU Parliament to file separate von der Leyen no-confidence motions at midnight (https://www.politico.eu/article/far-right-far-left-eu-parlia...)

> Their goal is to undermine the unity of the West, one by one

> Imagine yourself a government worker, trying to fight that. Where left and right your colleagues got bribed , threatent, etc. and you can't even find proofs against them. Your enemy on contrary, knows everything about everyone in their country.

That's somehow an argument to outlaw secure communication so even your enemy can spy on your messages?

The only thing in Europe that got sabotaged was Nord Stream, and the current investigation focuses on Ukrainians who, according to the WSJ, were directed by Zaluzhnyi.

We might want to monitor Zaluzhnyi's messages.

Sorry, the Russia invasion is utterly wrong, but this kind of fear mongering is dangerous.

I don't disagree, but what's the relevance of this information for the topic at hand? The chat control proposal is for government-mandated scanning of devices and processing the information in a EU-wide data center close to Interpol.

Obviously, foreign spies and threat actors can continue to use encrypted communication. In the worst case for them, they can stop using the Internet and use burst-mode radio transmissions.

So what's your point?