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| ▲ | Sl1mb0 a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| > dependency inclusion _should not_ be a main criterion for evaluating how good a build system is That's just like, your opinion, man. |
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| ▲ | lutusp a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > That's just like, your opinion, man. I would love to know how many younger readers recognize this classic movie reference. | |
| ▲ | taminka a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | i mean, unless you have some absolute divine truths, that's kind of the best i have :shrug | | |
| ▲ | virtualritz a day ago | parent [-] | | There are no truths but your opinion in this case runs counter of what 35 years developing software have taught me. Obviously, I may be an outlier. Some crank who's just smitten by the proposal of spending his time writing code instead of trying to get a dependency (and its sub-dependencies and their sub-dependencies) to build at all (e.g. C/C++) or to have the right version that works with ALL the code that depends on it (e.g. Python). I.e. I use cargo foremost (by a large margin) for that reason. | | |
| ▲ | taminka a day ago | parent [-] | | in my original comment i specifically mentioned that C (and C++) situation is also too extreme and not optimal... |
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| ▲ | CodeMage a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Dependency management should most definitely be one of the main criteria for evaluating how good a build system is. What's misguided is intentionally opting for worse dependency management in an attempt to solve a people problem, i.e. being careless about adding dependencies to your project in circumstances when you should be careful. |
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| ▲ | adwn a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > like the entire point of my comment is that people have misguided criteria for evaluating build systems, and your comment seems to just affirm this? I think dev_l1x_be's comment is meant to imply that your believe about people having misguided criteria [for evaluation build systems] is itself misguided, and that your favored approach [that the difficulty of including a dependency should be proportional to the risk you're taking on] is also misguided. |
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| ▲ | taminka a day ago | parent [-] | | my thesis is that negative externalities of build systems are important and i don't know how to convince of importance of externalities someone whose value system is built specifically on ignoring externalities and only factoring in immediate convenience... |
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