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metalman 8 hours ago

Bolsenaro is ex military, apointed his army buddys to positions in government, and evidence shows that the coup planning was with a large network of officers, useing military resiurces to plan there takeover. Bolsenaro was most definitly planning a coup with all of the top military comanders, he had zero reason to be working with. That he could not move faster than those opossing him, is not evidence in his favor. Getting caught at that point leaves no room to say "nice try, go home".

Knowing some ex army officers who were let off in a coup atempt, the offer was given to junior officers as "lead or gold", ie : get out of politicd,stay out of politics, and perhaps seek oportunity abroad, but the ones at the top know there is no way to leave them running around. This is exactly what took place in Brazil.

matheusmoreira 7 hours ago | parent [-]

We're not in disagreement here.

It looks like he simply failed to secure the support of all branches of the military and decided against going through with it. That's why I think it's silly to claim there was a coup attempt. At the end of the day, a coup was not actually attempted. They could have charged him with something more accurate like conspiracy. Conspiring to do something is obviously a much lesser crime than actually doing it. They specifically chose to call it a coup for political reasons. Giving up was pretty stupid in hindsight, he's being judged as though he had actually gone through with it. He might as well have tried.

Oh well. Bolsonaro's fate is much less important than the fate of the thousands of people who went to jail in January 8th. I don't believe there was a coup attempt there either. They asked the military to do it and the military did nothing. They can be charged with vandalism, incitation, whatever. They can't be charged with an actual coup attempt. That requires actually picking up weapons and trying to depose the government by force. Asking the military to do it on their behalf doesn't amount to a coup attempt.

For the record: I don't think Bolsonaro is wrong from a purely moral standpoint. My position is that the supreme court itself enacted a silent coup years before these events unfolded. That makes any manuever from Bolsonaro a counter-strike against the real tyrants. Especially since these same tyrants nullified the corruption case against the current president and violated the constitution on a daily basis in order to get him elected in 2022. Now that Bolsonaro's been defeated, the only hope for this country lies in Trump's sanctions as well as diplomatic and economic pressure.