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moolcool 2 days ago

> With that said, if the grandma's secret receipe is industrial cake mix, I don't know how much of a secret receipe it is

Ehh, there’s nothing wrong with a recipe containing a shortcut if it works, and standardizing on “a box of cake mix” as a measurement makes sense, because who wants to have 1/10th of a box of cake mix in their cupboard?

bruce511 2 days ago | parent [-]

Same people who have flour, sugar, baking powder, eggs, milk ‐ pasta, rice, potatoes, ya know, food.

I don't eat a whole bag of rice with every meal. I have a plastic tub. Buy rice, fill tub, remove potions as required, repeat.

My pantry is full of plastic tubs with various staples. My veggies come in bunches. My eggs in boxes.

When did we become so helpless that "the box is the wrong size" became an issue?

kop316 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Assuming you read the article, they address that: "She now calls them 'unusable.' She could buy an additional box to make up the difference, she acknowledges, 'but out of principle, I just can’t.'"

As someone who likes to cook, I understand this appeal too. I rarely make brownies (one or twice a year), but when I do, I just go to the boxed stuff. It reminds me of my childhood when I made them with my parents and siblings. I could reverse engineer the recipe to mimic what it does (and probably improve it), but given how little I make them, so it isn't high on my list of things to do. Now if they changed the recipe, sure, that may make me motivated enough to reverse engineer the recipe, but I would still be disappointed.

I think that's what they are going through. Sure, they could figure out what "1 box" used to be, they could go through the effort of reconstructing it with only from scratch ingredients, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's disappointing to have to go through. Maybe this recipe is one they always made for their kids and now grand-kids.

bruce511 2 days ago | parent [-]

I get the nostalgic aspect. But it's not like there aren't a zillion from-scratch brownie recipes to choose from.

And since you're doing it twice a year, honestly, get 2 boxes. If throwing away some extra premix destroys the pleasure, then that's a low bar.

Would I reverse-engineer the box? No. That sounds like work. But its not hard to find recipes online.

Of course with every problem comes opportunity. What I see here is an opportunity for a devoted grandson to box up 18oz of premix for grandma. Grandma's "secret" was that she "cheated", her pleasure was in the feeding not the baking. Enabling grandma to continue this going forward is the easiest thing ever.

citizenkeen 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

“It’s not a problem for me so I struggle to see why it’s a problem for anybody else”.

The lack of empathy throughout your comments here is staggering.

I’m a fantastic baker. I can bake a much better cake than my grandma ever could, but I can’t bake the cake I had in my childhood without a box. “Just but two” is nonsense dumb advice.

fluoridation a day ago | parent [-]

You can't bake the cake you had in your childhood. You already had it. Even if it had all the same atoms in the same positions it would not be the same, because you are not the same.

account42 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree that the precise atoms don't matter that much, but disagree that you can't have the same cake again. You just need to believe that you can.

kop316 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I get the nostalgic aspect.

While you may understand the nostalgic aspect from a logical level, I don't think you understand it beyond that. This next line:

> But it's not like there aren't a zillion from-scratch brownie recipes to choose from.

To me anyways really indicates that. I know there are a zillion from-scratch recipes online and in books and in other media. That isn't the point.

> If throwing away some extra premix destroys the pleasure, then that's a low bar.

Once again, I think you are totally missing the point. I think this captures why it's a big deal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8TEJtQRhw Betty Crocker is effectively doing that.

Without understanding it at more of emotional level, I can see why this doesn't resonate with you. Unfortunately, that also means it is unlikely that you will able to understand why it is a big deal and why other folks are arguing with you the way they are.

rpdillon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When recipes that we use called for a box of something. You seem argumentative about this, but it's easy to understand.

sniffers 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know that it's helplessness, I think it's genuinely difficult to notice when a product shrinks in size by an ounce or two and when a chemical composition changes. You probably make one batch, it fails, and now you have to research the size of the previous box and the size of the new box and do a bit of math. It's doable, but also, that's hoping the cake mix hasn't changed chemically. Research and math and experimentation is not zero effort.

moolcool 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some products are packaged so that one box constitutes one unit, and when they change that units size out of corporate stinginess, it’s inconvenient.

It’s very cool that you use fresh bulk ingredients for everything, so this article isn’t about you.

account42 8 hours ago | parent [-]

The point is that is a self-induced problem or at least one that you can avoid if you take care to not become reliant on some corporation for your "family" recipe.

moolcool 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You're already reliant on corporations for your family recipes.

People ITT are so quick to get all Richard Stallman on their grandmothers for having the gall to use a pre-measured can of Cream of Mushroom soup in their casserole recipe.

crazygringo 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Because we use those ingredients constantly and regularly.

You don't usually make a particular type of cookie every week or two. You might only make it once every six months. And your cake mix won't stay good exposed to oxygen for six months.

It's not about being helpless, c'mon.

dml2135 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Well this is why it makes sense to bake from standard ingredients like flour that have many different uses, instead of a processed box that can only be used to make one thing.

dghlsakjg 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Standard flour? Which standard?

There are a lot of different kinds of flour. At most well stocked grocers in North America you will find pastry flour, all purpose flour, bread flour, organic flour, self rising flour, etc. That’s just the white wheat flour that you could use to make a cake. Don’t forget that whole wheat and different varietals of wheat exist. If you make cake with bread flour it is going to be very different from one made with pastry flour. There is no such thing as “standard flour”. Hell, even the mill that you use to grind the wheat berry can drastically change the nature of your flour.

That’s the whole point of this article. That what you think of as a standard might not be a standard forever, or it might not be a standard at all.

dimensional_dan 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> all purpose flour

Use that one. It's flour, but like for all purposes. You can make cake with it fine.

wink a day ago | parent [-]

fun fact: in other parts of the world it's not called "all purpose", and I don't mean translations.

account42 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> self rising flour

That's just another unnecessary mix you can buy individually.

> That’s the whole point of this article. That what you think of as a standard might not be a standard forever, or it might not be a standard at all.

Flour types are not up to some corporation's marketing team. And for home cooking they don't really matter as much as you are implying. Just get the types best suited for the most common thing(s) you are making and make substitutes for the rest.

Also, there's going to be one type that is always stocked more than others. That's your standard flour. You can use it for most recipes (cake and bread) just fine.

zdragnar 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh? We eat almost no flour on a daily basis. We might eat cake every few months.

"Standard" is not standard at all.

dml2135 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

If you only bake cakes I guess it makes sense — but you can make many other baked goods with flour.

bruce511 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, "Standard" will vary a lot from one place to another.

For what it's worth, flour is used almost daily here. (We keep several kinds to hand.) We make pizza (ie make the dough) at least once a week. Bread on occasion. Batters for fried fish. As a thickener in sauces and gravys. For making fresh pasta, and so on.

All this of course is very cultural. We cook at home. If we eat out once a month it's a lot. We don't get take-aways or fast food. Because (frankly) they're just not that good.

So yes, our "standard" leans towards a well-stocked, varied, pantry.

And I completely get that this is weird by US standards (although common outside the US).

bruce511 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you and I have very different ideas of "helpless". :)

"Oh no, the premix is a different size, no more cookies ever" - seems like a pretty helpless response to me.

First World Problems I guess...

crazygringo 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think you're being extremely judgmental and making a lot of assumptions.

I didn't see any "helpless" in the article. I see someone who doesn't want to spend twice the money for no good reason, and then have leftover ingredients they don't have any other use for.

It's sad that you seem unable to sympathize with someone else's inconvenience and chose to diminish them instead.

When standard ingredient sizes change, that have remained unchanged for decades, and lots of recipes are scaled to match them precisely, you... choose to call people helpless, rather than call it out as corporate greed?

It's actually constructive, not "helpless", to stop buying the product, because if enough people do that, the company gets the message and brings back the old size.

brian-armstrong 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It's time to log off lil bro