| ▲ | filoleg a day ago |
| > the stability of buying It depends. Personally, after witnessing both sides of the coin second-hand, I am not leaning in the direction of either buying or renting in absolute. It is highly dependent on the context and circumstances of a specific situation/market. I am aware that this is just an anecdote (i.e., it isn't going to say much about the overall state of things across all states in the US), but there is a specific example I'd witnessed myself, which led me to believe that this is a bit more complicated than just "renting is the move" and "buying is the move." TLDR: one of my former coworkers bought a condo in Queen Anne neighborhood of Seattle (which is a highly desirable and expensive neighborhood in that metro area). Within the first year of his ownership, the pipes behind his laundry machine burst due to no fault of his own (while he was at work), and it ended up flooding the apartment of the neighbor below. It decimated the flooring of both his own unit and the unit of the neighbor below. He ended up was facing the costs of unfucking his own condo AND the unit below. I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head at all (as the whole thing happened around 2018-2019, and I wasn't really involved in any direct way at all), but I remember that he did the math and (based upon the numbers, reasonably) ended up selling his condo as soon as he'd finished fixing his own unit + paying for the fixes to the unit below. Meanwhile, I am currently renting, and if the pipes in my unit burst and end up flooding the neighbors below, it would be mostly the problem of the property management company running my building to deal with, not mine. This alone make me feel way more stable than if I'd owned the unit I live in atm. |
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| ▲ | mauvehaus a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| If you're renting, getting the landlord to deal with an acute issue is pretty clear cut. They usually get it done. It's the slow burn neglect shit that's almost impossible to get fixed. Anecdote of my own: The last place we rented before buying had a minor roof leak. Minor, but still a roof leak. The landlord was old, her daughter was responsible for a lot of stuff, and they were both remote for at least part of the year. It took 3 years for them to finally get the roof replaced, evidently about a year after we left. And these were good landlords. They took care of a bunch of minor disasters in good time: dishwasher, washing machine, thermostats for the baseboard electric heat, stack vent got clobbered by ice coming off the roof? All dealt with promptly. But the roof, important though it was, wasn't a big enough problem to merit quick attention. The place was a log home, and by appearances, hadn't been subjected to any kind of refinishing for a good while too. |
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| ▲ | filoleg a day ago | parent [-] | | > It's the slow burn neglect shit that's almost impossible to get fixed. There are definitely tons of pros that come from renting from small/individual landlords (e.g., potentially tiny/non-existent monthly rental cost increases over the years; I have an acquaintance who managed to keep the same lease price [which was already extremely low for the neighborhood] for about 3 years now in LES neighborhood of Manhattan). However, what you described is precisely one of my biggest personal concerns, hence why I tend to stick with larger/property-management-company-run properties+buildings that are, in general, newer. I discovered that it is much easier to get property management companies to get things like that done. In fact, after some of my current neighbors complained enough about elevator outages over the past month (for context: the building is 30 floors tall and has 3 elevators, but we recently had multiple weeks where only one elevator was functional, which led to large elevator lines and slow service), everyone automatically got a $500 credit applied to their next rent payment. |
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| ▲ | litoE a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In our condominium building (42 floors) the rule is that every apartment owner is responsible for any damages to their apartment, even if they are caused by an apartment in an upper floor. This is because otherwise the owners of the upper floors would have to have million-dollar insurance premiums to cover the possibility of a leak in their apartment causing damages to multiple floors below. We had an event where a burst pipe in the 28th floor caused damages all the way down to the 8th floor. |
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| ▲ | Marsymars a day ago | parent [-] | | This seems like something where it would make sense for the condo to self-insure with mandatory premiums for everyone, so then everyone pays an equal amount for leaks rather than only those who get unlucky. |
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| ▲ | tehwebguy a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Buying a condo is half buying and half renting. |
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| ▲ | david-gpu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | As an approximation, condo fees make explicit a number of recurring costs that are only implicit when you own. E.g. heating/cooling, maintenance, landscaping, accumulating an emergency fund, etc. Thus, if a condo is half-renting, so is buying a house. | | |
| ▲ | __turbobrew__ a day ago | parent [-] | | My condo owning friend got a special assessment of $40k to replace the siding. There are A LOT of costs which are not explicit when owning a condo. | | |
| ▲ | david-gpu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Some condo corporations are poorly managed and lack sufficient emergency funds, or proper maintenance, and thus resort to special assessments that are not funded in advance. The same is true of many homeowners. | | |
| ▲ | __turbobrew__ a day ago | parent [-] | | As a homeowner, that is 100% in your control whereas with a condo it isn’t. I have seen so many times in the local news about condos who are underwater because the board decided to not proactively save and fix things which was a democratic decision made by the board. Honestly I have such low trust in the ability for humans to plan for the future over the now. It is like a bug in our psychology. | | |
| ▲ | phil21 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Nothing keeps the condo owner from realizing how underfunded the association is and saving that amount each month for the inevitable emergency. Most home owners don’t do this either, but it’s pretty much the same thing short of an association leaving stuff so long it ends up being more expensive overall. Stuff like siding isn’t really all that hard to predict - it typically has a useful life and easy to calculate like a roof. Might get lucky or unlucky but it all averages out in the end over time. If you’re not saving/spending about 2% of your property value each year for maintenance you are almost always running on hopes and prayers. Granted, the outlier cases a condo owner has far less control over the situation- including neglect to the point of building collapse. | |
| ▲ | ghaff a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | >As a homeowner, that is 100% in your control whereas with a condo it isn’t. As a homeowner I have definitely had some 5 figure costs over the years that were totally unexpected and several in the low 5 figure range that really needed to be done. Doesn't mean I couldn't cover them in some way shape or form but they happened. |
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| ▲ | projectazorian 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Any good realtor will look into the maintenance history of the building and let you know if a special assessment is likely soon, and any good condo board will be transparent with you about this as well. |
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| ▲ | bombcar a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | A condo somehow combines the worst aspects of buying and renting. | | |
| ▲ | devonkim a day ago | parent | next [-] | | That would be an HOA moreso than the features of a condo, although a condo tends to imply an HOA in the US. The irony of my experiences with an HOA is that its actions tended to suppress my property value rather than preserve or grow it. | | |
| ▲ | tomjakubowski a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't know how a condo building could operate without some kind of shared ownership structure for the common areas and shared infrastructure. What are the alternatives to an HOA in a condo building? | | |
| ▲ | bombcar a day ago | parent [-] | | actual laws about such things, I presume. hoas only make sense to me in condo situations - but even then you’re at the mercy of others |
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| ▲ | simianwords a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | As a non american I have no idea what a "condo" is. Is it like an apartment? Or a big house? | | |
| ▲ | jbarham a day ago | parent [-] | | Condo means an apartment that you own (vs rent). | | |
| ▲ | simianwords a day ago | parent [-] | | Interesting.. I would never think Condo described the financial relation you had with the house but not some intrinsic quality of the house itself. | | |
| ▲ | bombcar a day ago | parent [-] | | Technically it doesn’t (as it means condominium which in theory could be single family homes) but practically it almost always means an “apartment you own” though sometimes “half a duplex” or similar proportions of a quad or six plex style. But in the US it usually implies neighbors above and below and on the sides. | | |
| ▲ | simianwords a day ago | parent [-] | | I'm more curious now: what sort of apartment does not have neighbours nearby? | | |
| ▲ | bombcar 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s the above and below; most people in the USA will think “condominium tower” when you say condo, but some (rarer) are much more like duplexes or single family homes. |
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