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cm2187 2 days ago

We are way beyond that. In certain european countries you cannot legally share privately a sentence that would offend someone else.

robin_reala 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Which certain ones would those be then? And which laws would it be breaking?

uzerfcwn 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Last month, a Finnish court judged that using derogatory words in an email sent privately to the offended person counts as defamation.[1] When this was discussed in the Finnish Reddit [2], some found it unjust that it counts as defamation even though the message wasn't sent to third parties, but it is indeed how the law was written.

[1] https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/6c9a65fe-f706-449e-b0d9-1...

[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/Suomi/comments/1mv9usq

cm2187 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The hate crime bill in Scotland for instance.

9dev 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you have any source for that?

Bender 2 days ago | parent [-]

Not the person you are asking but it is getting worse by the day [1][2]. Speech policing is becoming a higher priority than dealing with violent crime. Protests are also increasing in number and frequency.

[1] - https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru...

[2] - https://freespeechunion.org/police-make-30-arrests-a-day-for...

9dev 2 days ago | parent [-]

These reports both seem to refer to the UK, not several European countries.

I personally also think this should mostly not be a matter for the police to take care of, but then again do (should) dick picks and harassment really constitute the free speech you want to protect? I cannot speak for the UK, but Germany for example has had laws against gross insults since decades that have not threatened democracy; I would expect police to enforce laws, whether in real or virtual life just the same.

On the other hand, it gets murky with unwanted political opinions. Due to historic reasons, there are some things very specific things you're forbidden from voicing publicly here, because they're incompatible with our constitution, and thus don't enjoy the protection of that constitution. But in recent years, things unrelated to our fascist past have also seen litigation, which I find problematic, regardless of my personal opinions.

But given that Germany is probably the most strict European country when it comes to freedom of speech restrictions, I'm really opposed to announcing any kind of "free speech crisis in Europe".