I think it should be said that abusive, toxic work environments can creep up until you're in one, and hearing things like people should just have a tough skin. What would be a more specific way of putting that?

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mberning 2 days ago | parent [-]

I don't know what point you are trying to make. One person's "abusive and toxic work environment" is another's "results driven organization". If you find yourself in a role that doesn't fit you, or you have serious doubts about, my best advice would be to leave. You are unlikely to meaningfully change the culture. In fact it will probably achieve the opposite of what you want, and people will dislike you for trying.

	▲	whstl a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		This is a false dichotomy. Places that use the phrase "results driven" as a rationalisation for toxicity are never about results. If a place is really "results driven", then people should be expected at EVERY level, to communicate like adults, to be matter-of-fact and to have clear expectations. All this is the opposite of a "toxic environment". Without exception, places that require employees to have "thick skins" are actually "ego driven" with results be damned, because they are led by bosses with the emotional maturity of a preteen. Results 100% take a backseat to ego here.
	▲	th0ma5 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Just for the record, no young person should see this mindset as correct. This is how patterns of abuse are perpetuated. I agree with the sentiments of just leave, but the rest of this is a machismo fantasy. The results driven teams you are describing are still abuse.