Can you elaborate on the kind of expats that are undesirable? I don't know what specific types of people you might be referring to

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alephnerd 3 days ago | parent [-]

1. The kind that is looking at visiting Thailand as a cheap way to booze, party, smoke weed, and do other stuff. They do not spend enough money to move the needle economically in a country where the majority of the economy is connected to automotive and electronics manufacturing

2. The kind that try to reside in Thailand long term but don't want to file for immigration, so using various loopholes like the "Visa dash" or paying for Thai language classes with no attendance or requirements to attend the class. Lots of drop shippers are doing this and are dodging incorporation taxes in Thailand

3. The kind that come to only train Muay Thai or BJJ, but don't contribute to the rest of the economy (I'm guilty of this). Living and training exclusive at a Fairtex or a Sityodong isn't percolating capital in the rest of Thailand.

All 3 of these types of expats and tourists are barely spending $500/mo in Thailand after rent or hotel spend, and simply don't contribute to the Thai economy to the same degree the other sectors of the economy are. The only reason those 3 types of tourists are tolerated is because the businesses they patronize are overwhelmingly owned by local politicians and give them pocket change, but aren't actually useful from an economic perspective, because it has depressed wages, and exacerbated organized crime.

Heritage and upscale tourism is a separate story, because the premiums that can be demanded and the wages and skills needed incentivize upskilling as well as building a white money local ecosystem.

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somenameforme 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

This is tangential but relevant - Thailand's current fertility rate has fallen to 1, substantially less than Japan even. And this fertility collapse happened long enough that they've already entered into the population decline phase - with accelerating declines over the past 4 years.

It's still the early stages, but Thailand is going to unavoidably be entering into demographic collapse over the coming decades. So tourism, especially when it results in attracting lawful/educated/etc long-term residents, provides more than however much money people can spend.

Of course Thais themselves just need to start having a lot more babies, but it's not looking like that's going to happen. The whole world is going to look so different in 50 years, even if literally nothing whatsoever changed from a technological POV. Fertility issues are going to radically reshape the entire world and the balance of powers, perspectives, even religions, and much more.

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logicchains 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>They do not spend enough money to move the needle economically in a country where the majority of the economy is connected to automotive and electronics manufacturing

That's incorrect; services represent around 56% of the economy while manufacturing only represents around 35% of the economy: https://www.statista.com/statistics/331893/share-of-economic... .

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lovelyfarang 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't sex tourists contribute the most? Fall for the girl, "save her", build a house in Isan, fund her new business, then she ditches him and keeps it all because farang by law limited to 49% equity.

	▲	Muromec 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		That isn't always a scam actually. A lot of old fa^W men retire and marry a citizen to secure rights to the land under their house. I have seen a lot of that (entire gated communities) and it all seemed long-term and high-commitment and in a good faith. Ones on the younger side of their 60ies mostly have a business of some sort and kids together too. I don't know how much love is there in these marriages and don't draw any judgement either.

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bapak 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Hate to see this thinking, even more so on HN.

1. So what? Are you the kind of guy who wants "quality tourists" and then cries when tourism indicators are down several months in a row?

2. Whose fault is that? Give me a path to residency and I'll happily file taxes there. No one wants to play this game and be treated as a second class citizen.

Also if your visa allows back-to-back entries that's exactly what I'll do. Nowhere does it say that there's a limit, therefore it's not "abuse".

FWIW I really wish I could open shop in Thailand, pay taxes there from my online business and gain visa/residency through it, do it you think it's possible/easy? Nope. Roadblocks at every step.

3. WTF do you want exactly? I'm injecting $500/mo in Thailand, do you prefer 0? This line of thinking is insane.

Anyway $500/mo in Thailand nowadays is basically impossible unless you live in a shack or in the sticks.

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sudahtigabulan 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Also if your visa allows back-to-back entries that's exactly what I'll do. Nowhere does it say that there's a limit, therefore it's not "abuse".

Also if the law says you should pay taxes, that's exactly what you should do. Nowhere does it say that there's an exemption for people paying their food and rent ("injecting" $500), therefore you should pay (taxes).

	▲	bapak 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		You didn't read my message because that's what I want to do if it was easier (and banks were reliable). Given this news I'll probably continue to not invest in Thailand.

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