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arccy 3 days ago

this talk of GNU being "standard" is toxic, as if anything that doesn't use it is weird or off spec.

the GNU userland might be common for user facing systems, but it's nowhere close to standard.

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oguz-ismail 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's the de facto standard. No one knows how to use other flavors of tools like date, find, grep, sed etc.

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pjmlp 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Some of us do, but we are old enough to know that Linux is not a synonym for UNIX, and to have installed it from floppies.

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bigyabai 3 days ago | parent [-]

For all the good that does you running modern software. "UNIX support" in a post k8s age is considered optional.

	▲	pjmlp 3 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Thankfully not everything needs Kubernetes. If you are going there, I also consider Kubernetes optional. When I have the option to push for specific cloud deployments, I usually push for serverless or managed containers. You might argue that still depends on Kubernetes, for me Kubernetes just like Linux, is mostly an implementation detail, that we get to open support tickets when it doesn't go as planned. No one needs to hurt themselves running a local Kubernetes cluster.
	▲	arccy 3 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		actually with docker and K8s we see Alpine used more and more, and that doesn't come with a GNU userland.

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stonogo 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There's no such thing as a "de facto standard." The whole point of a standard is to be the jure that the thing is de. The word you're looking for is "common."

	▲	oguz-ismail 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto_standard

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quotemstr 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

GNU utilities won. That's just reality.