You call 60 years of racial segregation that affected an entire race of people in several states “cherry picking”?

It’s a huge difference between “a few people being racist” and laws enforcing segregation and laws against interracial marriage.

The racists have always been in power. You can look at the justice system, the disparity between sentencing for the same crimes across races etc.

The Supreme Court said you can’t use race as a basis for college admissions. But you can use it as a basis for arresting someone.

Fox News is the most popular news network and isn’t part of social media.

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0xDEAFBEAD a day ago | parent [-]

>You call 60 years of racial segregation that affected an entire race of people in several states “cherry picking”?

Why are people who call themselves "progressive" so obsessed with events from half a century ago?

>The racists have always been in power.

It amazes me how quickly people forgot that we had 8 years of Obama. That was a lot more recent than racial segregation.

>the disparity between sentencing for the same crimes

The vast majority of this disparity seems to go away when you control for arrest offense, criminal history, etc.: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377

>The Supreme Court said you can’t use race as a basis for college admissions. But you can use it as a basis for arresting someone.

Well yeah, if someone fits the description of a criminal suspect, why not?

>Fox News is the most popular news network and isn’t part of social media.

When's the last time Fox News advocated for segregation or laws against interracial marriage?

IMO you've been making some very handwavey arguments which are collapsing important distinctions.

In any case... you can see from Table 13 in this PDF (page 13) that the rate of black-on-white crime is over 3x the rate of white-on-black crime: https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/cv23.pdf

This isn't something which happened 60 years ago. This is data from 2023. It's more recent / greater in magnitude than most of the points you've been making. So, would it be fair to conclude that black people in the US are hostile to the "other", akin to the conclusion you made in your original comment?

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scarface_74 a day ago | parent [-]

Well not to bury the lede, a Fox News host just said that homeless people should be killed last week…

> It amazes me how quickly people forgot that we had 8 years of Obama. That was a lot more recent than racial segregation.

You mean the same 8 years that a large part of the country was saying he wasn’t really an American and that he was a secret Muslim wanting to bring Sharia law?

> Well yeah, if someone fits the description of a criminal suspect, why not?

So you’re okay with harassing all Hispanics because they “fit the description.”? Including American citizens?

Let’s look at what the government data says about discrepancy in sentencing…

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/one-in-five-racial...

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...

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0xDEAFBEAD a day ago | parent [-]

You previously claimed: "The racists have always been in power." Now you've retreated to: "A country of 340 million people includes some individuals who have wacko political opinions." Those aren't the same thing!

>So you’re okay with harassing all Hispanics because they “fit the description.”? Including American citizens?

It's not the policy I would pursue if I were president. But I also wouldn't consider it harassment if a cop asked to see my ID.

If there's a community that has been breaking the law on a massive scale, there should be more shame associated with that lawbreaking than there is shame associated with enforcing the law. How are you going to have a functional society if there is more shame for enforcing the law than there is breaking it?

Your first link says that black men receive sentences that are 13.4% longer than white men. I think we should work to reduce that, but it's less than half the size of the male/female sentencing disparity from the same source (29.2%), and it's nothing compared to the 226% disparity in cross-racial crime victimization.

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scarface_74 20 hours ago | parent [-]

> If there's a community that has been breaking the law on a massive scale, there should be more shame associated with that lawbreaking than there is shame associated with enforcing the law. How are you going to have a functional

So exactly what should Puerto Ricans who are in the continental United States do to prevent being detained by ICE?

What should my six foot 2 Black stepson living in a lily white suburb of Atlanta GA (my wife and I moved to another state for reasons) do differently? Should he go to the inner city and change hearts and minds?

And you keep changing the subject. I am referring to how the government targets people - the only people who have qualified immunity and can take away an individuals rights. A random Black or White person cant legally detain me or stop me - not even in GA anymore after the Republican governor outlawed citizen’s arrest after it was used to harass and kill an unarmed black man walking down the street - yes it was caught on video.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery

Why do I find it hard to believe that you would be okay being randomly stopped and harassed walking down the street? I now live in a major diverse city. I can see it now. I a Black guy born in south GA being detained by ICE if they raid the Hispanic barber shop I go to - where three of the barbers are from Puerto Rico - because they hear me doing small talk in Spanish.

	▲	0xDEAFBEAD 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>So exactly what should Puerto Ricans who are in the continental United States do to prevent being detained by ICE? Show their ID? https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2025/04/24/countdown... >What should my six foot 2 Black stepson living in a lily white suburb of Atlanta GA (my wife and I moved to another state for reasons) do differently? Should he go to the inner city and change hearts and minds? What should I as a white guy do differently? Go to the prosecutor's office and change hearts and minds? (Also, if your stepson is so worried about white people, why does he live in a "lily white" area?) >you keep changing the subject I've been responding to claims you made in other comments: 'The country has always been hostile to “other”.' and 'The racists have always been in power.' >the Republican governor outlawed citizen’s arrest after it was used to harass and kill an unarmed black man walking down the street I suppose this is more evidence that "The racists have always been in power"? Republicans are the KKK party. That's why they outlawed citizen's arrest after the death of a black man... I'll let you have the last word in this thread.