>is actually a net positive result for those disciplines.

This is an argument based in Luddism.

Looms where not a net positive for the craftsman that were making fabrics at the time.

With that said, looms where not the killing blow, instead an economic system that lead them to starve in the streets was.

There are going to be a million other things that move the economics away from scarcity and take away the profitability. The question is, are we going to hold on to economic systems that don't work under that regime.

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_DeadFred_ 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, being against a society without artists is totally a luddite argument. Being against AI entropy stopping societal progress, stagnating culture at 2025 when humans started stopping contributing to the training set is a luddite argument. Please stop, you are not responding in good faith.

Saying 'I think society should have artists' is not Luddism.

	▲	pixl97 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Eh, you say I'm not responding in good faith, and yet that's exactly what I'd accuse you of doing. For example take this line of mine >The question is, are we going to hold on to economic systems that don't work under that regime Currently artistry requires artists get paid somehow in our current system. That means instead of making the art they want, they have to make art that's economically useful to a paying customer. And yet for some reason you don't consider that part of a stagnating culture.

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iamacyborg 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> There are going to be a million other things that move the economics away from scarcity and take away the profitability.

What we’re really talking about here is the consolidated of power under a few tech elites. Saying it’s a luddite argument is a red herring.

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ragequittah 3 days ago | parent [-]

A whole lot of what I use every day especially for images and audio is open source. The open source AI video is getting pretty good these days as well. Better than the sora that I pay for anyways. Granted not nearly as good as veo3 yet.

So long as Nvidia doesn't nerf their consumer cards and we keep getting more and more vram I can see open source competing.

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iamacyborg 3 days ago | parent [-]

I’m yet to see these models produce anything actually good yet, paid or otherwise. On the bright side the movie industry seems to have actually been smart and still makes extensive use of unions which should help protect actual artists.

	▲	ragequittah 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I guess everyone's definition of good is different. The fact that an AI won an art competition [1] back in 2022 and it's now way better than that says something. I'm almost positive if you got some great AI artists and put them up against some great real artists you'd have a very hard time telling the difference / picking the winners. This is the kind of bias we're taught not to have as young children (blind hatred of x because x is bad) but I see all too often right now. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/technology/ai-artificial-...