> Geoff's stuff is mostly about heuristics.

That's not true at all.

- The bounds safety part of it prevents those C operations that Fil-C or something like it would dynamically check. You can to use hardened API instead.

- The cast safety part of it prevents C casts except if they're obviously safe.

- The lifetime safety part of it forces you to use WebKit's smart pointers except when you have an overlooking root.

Those are type safety rules. It's disingenuous to call them heuristics.

It is true, however, that Geoff's rules don't go to 100% because:

- There are nasty corners of C that aren't covered by any of those rules.

- WebKit still has <10% ish code that isn't opted into those rules.

- WebKit has JITs.

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tialaramex 2 days ago | parent [-]

I can't rationalize how "prevents... except" isn't still just heuristics.

r/cpp is full of people with such heuristics, ways that they personally have fewer safety bugs in their software. That's how C++ got its "core guidelines", and it is clearly the foundation of Herb's profiles. You can't get to safety this way, you can get closer than you were in a typical C++ codebase and for Geoff that was important.

	▲	pizlonator 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		> I can't rationalize how "prevents... except" isn't still just heuristics. “Prevent something unless obviously safe” is a core pattern of rules in type systems. For example variable assignment in Java. If it’s possibly unsafe (RHS is not a subtype of LHS) then it’s prevented. Are you saying Java and all of classic type theory is just heuristics?