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Rygian 3 days ago

I see the point. But it hangs on a thin string. One more stretch and you'd get "west-side Spanish" for Portuguese, or some sort of "gaelic Spanish" for Occitan.

ted_dunning 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Darn! You're right.

The step after is to start talking about Provencal as if it were a dialect or French. Or Sicilian or Napolitano as a dialect of Italian.

What will the world come to!

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normie3000 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't Occitan "French Catalan Spanish"?

pvaldes 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Obviously Catalonia is a part of Spain, they are Spanish, while Portugal and France are different countries.

rkomorn 3 days ago | parent [-]

FWIW, I think some Catalans have a very different opinion.

jvican 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Regardless of how they might feel, they're still Spanish (hold a Spanish passport), so it's a true fact. I also take issue with you claiming that all Catalans feel this way, that's largely untrue.

That being said, both terms "Castilian Spanish" and "Catalan Spanish" sound weird to me. Source: I'm both a Catalan and Spanish speaker. In my languages, they're both referred as "Castellano" o "Catalan".

I'd appreciate that people referred to these languages either as Catalan or Spanish, no need for unnecessary qualifiers. (Spanish is, unlike English, a completely centralized language. No need to make geographical distinctions.)

rkomorn 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I also take issue with you claiming that all Catalans feel this way, that's largely untrue.

There are literally 10 words in my comment and you couldn't even read all of them?

jvican 3 days ago | parent [-]

Sorry for misreading, didn't notice the 'some'.

rkomorn 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Spanish is, unlike English, a completely centralized language. No need to make geographical distinctions.

So you'd say there are no distinctions worth noting between the Spanish spoken in any Spanish-speaking Latin American country and the Spanish spoken in Spain?

jvican 3 days ago | parent [-]

Most of the times, for most of the speakers, there is no need to make a distinction.

Why would any one feel it's important to say they went to Sydney and spoke to the peoples of Australia in Australian English?

rkomorn 3 days ago | parent [-]

I'd say that, for example, there are significant enough pronunciation (and in a few cases, vocabulary) differences between Portuguese in Portugal vs Brazil.

From experience, learning one is not the same as the other.

So there are definitely contexts where these differences matter.

jvican 2 days ago | parent [-]

There are contexts where the differences matter, but not in the vast majority of contexts (especially the OP's context).

normie3000 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> they're still Spanish

Isn't Catalan the official language of Andorra?

"Catalan Spanish" makes as much sense as "Basque Spanish". It sounds like an English translation of "catañol".

jvican 3 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, but when people refer to "Catalan people", they refer to people from Catalunya, Spain, not Andorra.

pvaldes 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Then, they can declare an independence war, and win that war. They can't have their cake and eat it.

Something that not even the most stubborn separatists want to do, while enjoying the special treatment of "I feel oppressed under the weight of all this Spanish fiscal benefits that other Spaniards don't have".

Until that war happens, saying I'm not Spanish, I'm from Catalonia, is like an American native from Oklahoma saying "I don't feel like an USA citizen, so I will not pay taxes but I will keep all the benefits, freedom of movement, etc that they have". Yes you are and US citizen. Feelings are irrelevant from a legal point of view. Stop acting like a child. After 20 years repeating the same dumb lie, is frankly annoying for the rest of us.

bdunks 3 days ago | parent [-]

“A language is a dialect with an army and navy”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_language_is_a_dialect_with...