More roads just does not scale. Look at LA. Look at San Francisco. More capacity isn’t just going to magically appear.

Waymo is only going to increase overall utilization by reducing the marginal cost of running a car. They aren’t magic traffic-solving devices, they are traffic-adding like DoorDash and Uber have been.

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fooker 3 days ago | parent [-]

It doesn't matter what you think scales.

If you don't design infrastructure based on what people want, they are going to do it anyway. And things will be extremely chaotic.

No amount of fees, fines, etc will change that.

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stouset 3 days ago | parent [-]

If you design infrastructure based on what you think people want instead of what actually produces good outcomes, you end up with gridlock.

Travel some time. Take a look at what’s happened in Paris over the last several years. See what’s happened in Utrecht and Amsterdam. These are far from the only examples.

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fooker 2 days ago | parent [-]

The zeitgeist of what produces good outcomes tends to change somewhat fast. This is the line of thought that led the US to tear down railways, city center train stations, and built freeways through the middle of cities. They thought they were planning for good outcomes too.

I have traveled all over the world, and have lived in Amsterdam for half a year. I like that model sure, but doesn't change the fact that Americans want suburban sprawl. You should move to where you like though.

	▲	tuna74 a day ago \| parent [-]
		Dense neighbourhoods are very expensive in the US as well, so it seems like there is a big market for that type of housing.