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philwelch 7 hours ago

> Jesse Owens example is literally one example

He wasn’t even the only black American gold medalist from that day’s track and field competition. Regardless, you made the claim that the term “American” was never used, without qualification, to refer to black people prior to 1945. One or two counterexamples is enough to disprove such a claim.

> I don't think it’s awkward or uncomfortable to emphasize someone’s race.

And I do. That’s part of the disagreement that we’re working through here.

> Tell me what do you think the civil rights issues were/are about? Nah, I’ll tell you: That "american" didn't actually mean all of us on a constitutional/federal/state level and even cultural level.

I already addressed this. Repeating for clarity: I'm not saying that racism didn't exist in 1936 or that Jesse Owens was treated fairly, but there was no inhibition against referring to him, or any other black American, as an American whenever it was relevant to do so.

You made the very specific claim that the term “American” was not used to refer to black people prior to 1945. Now that I’ve demonstrated that this claim is false, you are using figurative language to retreat to the claim that black people were not historically treated equally to white people. But I have never disputed this. You are the one arguing right past me and with some imaginary figure in your head.

Furthermore, as I’ve already said, this is exactly the reason that the term “African American” became popular at one point: because it emphasized that black people were also Americans. Contrary to your false claim that it was meant as a backhanded implication that they weren’t Americans.

> The culture warrior has ended themselves.

Uncalled for and unnecessary.

Atlas667 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not retreating into a wider claim. The civil rights issues were literally about "american" not meaning all of us legally.

That is my example for prior usage of the word "american" being biased. It was so biased that people willfully forgot the law and the constitution. Why does it not suffice?

Here is one more I recall:

“When I say all Americans — I mean all Americans...” President Truman when ending segregation in the army

I could keep looking up examples but I feel these are fundamental enough.

Yes african american emphasizes it, there was a need to do that. I wonder why?

Also I should add that I specifically dont give a damn about emoji color. I always leave default yellow cause i rarely use em anyways.