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andy99 4 days ago

  "I thought it might be the kids from the abandoned house over the road,” Lisa, 30, a shop sales assistant told the tabloid Bild.
More concerning that there's an apparent house of feral children across the road.
IncRnd 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

There should be those sorts of houses everywhere, or the feral children would roam in street gangs, steal pies from window sills, and ring doorbells.

sterlind 4 days ago | parent [-]

the way the world economy's going I could see Oliver Twist becoming relevant again.

robertlagrant 4 days ago | parent [-]

Please sir - can I have some more...screen time?

skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent [-]

no go and play with your friends... oh yeah thats right they live miles away and the only way to get hold of them is via a screen but because of hysterical adults (who decry the ills of social media from social media) theyve banned me from using it because it will do general detriment to me much like TV was feared to cause, much like books were feared to cause. This time is no different, hysterical parents

robertlagrant 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> This time is no different, hysterical parents

How do you know this?

skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent [-]

because it it were so toxic to health the parents themselves would stop using them

robertlagrant 3 days ago | parent [-]

This seems to forget the difference between adults will fully-developed brains, and children who are still forming. I hope you'd agree with the principle through this analogy: an adult who looks at pornography would not want to show their child pornography.

skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent [-]

> I hope you'd agree with the principle through this analogy: an adult who looks at pornography would not want to show their child pornography.

but its nothing like pornography. were talking about "screen time" which is a vague generic idea, just the same as "social media" encompasses pretty much any major tech companies website/app instead of actual mediums for socializing like IRC, forums etc that were around for decades prior just never called that

robertlagrant 3 days ago | parent [-]

But you agree with the principle that parents doing things they don't let their kids do is not evidence that the thing would be fine for their kids.

darkwater 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, maybe it actually didn't work out so well because in a society where information can travel so fast, we have more and more people thinking hoaxes are real because they've been trained to do it... I'm not saying there is a conspiracy behind this, just that maybe we are ignoring the bad outcomes and mark them as "bah, it's normal, we always behaved like this"

Pesthuf 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Who knows if that interview even happened. Bild makes up stuff all the time, or bends the truth to make it more interesting or fit their narrative better.

My ass would be offended if so wiped it with a BILD "news"paper.

tracker1 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For some reason, I'm thinking of the Foot Clan hideout from the 1990 Ninja Turtles movie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDJev_Sw-j8

pineaux 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Actually, what they mean is squatters. In many parts of Europe -especially germany and spain- it's quite normal for 16 to 25 year olds to squat abandoned buildings and live there until the police kicks them out. These kids tend to get intoxicated and do stupid stuff. Like ringing a bell in the middle of the night. The squatting thing is seen by many as a measure against speculation on living space and at the same time giving young kids a cheap place to live and get on their feet. In most places in Europe the squatting is semi-allowed because of remnants of old roman law. It's quite fascinating and -in my opinion- a tragedy that it is disappearing.

Larrikin 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Drunk kids unable to afford housing, in a society where owners of property would rather let it get run down instead of develop it or sell it, and where it's expected that the homeless youth will harass their neighbors, sounds like a failure of society.

The young people shouldn't have to squat and abandoned buildings shouldn't be allowed to just sit and rot.

potato3732842 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> in a society where owners of property would rather let it get run down instead of develop it or sell it,

Nobody would "rather" do this. They are incentivized to, typically as an Nth order consequence of public policy.

skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent [-]

you think nobody runs out of money, or finds themselves up shit creek? what about inherited properties that you dont have the money, time or ability to renovate and youre waiting for someone else to buy it from you?

potato3732842 3 days ago | parent [-]

Those situations happen but they are rare and usually short lived. The reason we see boarded up store fronts and unoccupied homes for literally years is because we incentivize it.

inglor_cz 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You are making too many assumptions. Some squatters are the homeless, some are young-ish adherents of the far left, for whom this is a lifestyle choice.

The most famous Prague squat, Klinika in Žižkov, was full of blue-haired nepo babies whose parents were well connected politicians or businesspeople. That is also why it was tolerated for a fairly long time, and it was always able to summon a crowd of friendly journalists whenever someone tried to empty the building.

(Note that this is something that actual poor people rarely are able to - but lifestyle squatters who studied the same faculty before dropping out can do easily, as they still have the phone numbers of their graduated friends).

The common feature is freewheeling attitudes to drinking and drugs. Most homeless shelters or cheaper landlords won't tolerate too much consumption on the premises, or even have a dry policy. In a squat, anything goes.

sersi 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A friend of ours is an old lady who needed to spend a few weeks in the hospital. While she was there, her house was squatted and removing the squatters took a bit more than a year during which time she was effectively homeless. So I am glad that the laws are gradually being tightened against squatters

gyomu 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yep, a very common story. Or someone whose parents pass away, they take a few months to put affairs in order and start selling the house, only to find out the house is now being squatted and they have a nightmare to deal with.

But somehow people much prefer the “bohemian squatters sticking it to greedy capitalistic landlords who don’t use their property” narrative.

mr_toad 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apparently in France it’s common enough that you can hire people, effectively goons, to harass and intimidate them into leaving.

jimnotgym 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I think it was in Andy Mcnab's autobiography, where there was a story of a British SAS (Elite special forces) soldier who came home from an overseas tour to find squatters in his house. Apparently he sent flowers to them while they were in hospital.

sersi 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yup that was in France. Now with the law of 2023, it's significantly easier to deal with squatters.

Dilettante_ 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Be careful though when hiring goons, you might get involved with the wrong kind of people.

skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent [-]

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Dilettante_ 2 days ago | parent [-]

I know a couple guys that are big into gooning.

potato3732842 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It didn't take a year to remove the squatters. In fact, it probably took about 10min.

It took a year to remove the squatters without risk of government violence being applied to the owner.

There's a subtle difference.

Loughla 3 days ago | parent [-]

What's the point of what you wrote here?

ThePowerOfFuet 3 days ago | parent [-]

Think about that a little more.

amanaplanacanal 3 days ago | parent [-]

It's not uncommon to be able to illegally do something very quickly that would take longer to do legally. I'm sure most of us are already aware of that.

inexcf 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where do you get all that from? Except for famous cases like the Rote Flora in Hamburg or i guess Berlin in general there's not a lot of squatting going on in Germany, or is there?

In Germany squatting laws dictate you have to openly live at a place for 30 years and the property needs to be registered to your name in order for you to be able to claim ownership.So here it can hardly be a measure anyone can take to get a cheap place to live.

anshorei 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I have several friends who have squatted abandoned buildings in Europe. I have other friends who live in otherwise abandoned buildings under agreement with the owner to prevent squatters breaking in to the building. When I moved into my house several years back it looked abandoned (because it had been before buying it), and when I invited friends over for the first time some assumed I was squatting there upon arrival. Squatting is really not an unusual thing. Squatters aren't squatting in order to claim ownership. Often they're students looking for a cheap place to stay.

Propelloni 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, there is not a lot of squatting going on in Germany. AFAIK, the only EU countries with rather active squatting scenes are Italy and Spain, but my information is probably 20 years out of date.

LtdJorge 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Same as in Spain. I know multiple cases of "okupas", not of what OP describes.

Frieren 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The squatting thing is seen by many as a measure against speculation on living space and at the same time giving young kids a cheap place to live and get on their feet.

This is true for abandoned empty buildings. If the owners are not using a building and someone starts to live in there, they are allowed. The idea is that the right to housing is greater than the right to own empty buildings just for speculation.

In cities were housing offering is lacking this is seen as a measure to push speculators to sell or rent their properties.

sterlind 4 days ago | parent [-]

this was known in the US as "squatter's rights." unfortunately it's mostly vestigial now.

vasco 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Underage kids that ran from their family should be brought back to the family or into foster care, not live in crack houses, that's not a tragedy, it's progress.

CalRobert 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

If you're an independent and clever 16 year old you might be better of on your own than in foster care.

bobthepanda 4 days ago | parent [-]

There are enough foster care horror stories that I don't think anyone "must" be there.

watwut 4 days ago | parent [-]

Young teenagers live in streets and squats are abused a lot. By a lot I mean, massively lot.

Frieren 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That they will do with anyone below 18.

But there are some rules that allow teens above 16 to work in certain jobs and they may be considered adults depending on the circumstances depending on a judge interpretation. Below that age the police will bring the kids to their parents or to a foster home.

aswegs8 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You make it sound like a common occurence in Europe. For my country (Germany) it has been only 1000~ buildings in total since the 1970s and I am pretty sure 90% of that has been in Hamburg in Berlin. So no, it's a very unlikely explanation for an abandoned building in rural Bavaria.

alexey-salmin 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So yeah, feral children

tempodox 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Im the world of tabloids that’s a profitable allegation.

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harrall 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Kids hanging around in abandoned houses to smoke or do dumb shit is like a staple of childhoods.