>What was the injury exactly?

Are you for real?

Yeah. Showing concrete harm from e.g. collection of location data for marketing purposes is a huge challenge. Show even one instance of someone being harmed by specifically what Verizon did (it doesn't exist). We have all sorts of ad tech collecting huge profiles and yet where is the demonstrated harm?

This is coming from someone with a great interest in privacy, enough to know that advocates purposefully conflate privacy in the sense of limiting government overreach and privacy in the sense of limiting the spread of embarrassing information. I want the former and the latter, but neither really interacts with advertising, in an intellectual honest way. If only data were as valuable as people thought it was.

This is a really unpopular opinion and I'm sure it will be downvoted so, you know, there's that. You've "won." If someone could figure out the harm maybe there would be a regulation. It's been a long time and there still isn't, so you can't just wave your hands around and say, corruption, because there are actually a huge number of laws, simply colossal, and I cannot believe that the position you believe in is so true but so corrupt as to have exactly zero consequences for substantive torts.

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bilekas 2 days ago | parent [-]

> We have all sorts of ad tech collecting huge profiles and yet where is the demonstrated harm?

It's simply down to lack of consent, other tech companies will do the same, after you agree to intentionally over complicated TOS'. And there are examples of collected analytical data being used for nefarious purposes, namely Cambridge Analytica comes to mind. This was collected without consent. Being manipulated and in cases outright lied to into something is being an injured party.

It is an unpopular opinion, but its because it should be. If verizon have a data breach and all that collected information about you is used without anyone even knowing. These things happen, correlating your banking information for example with your personal information happens all the time. A goldmine for social engineering.

	▲	doctorpangloss a day ago \| parent [-]
		> A goldmine for social engineering. Okay, I mean some medical studies collect data on millions of people, and those datasets too have the potential that, due to security arcana, can be data breached. Does that mean I should be able to sue all medical studies for collecting data on that potential? Of course I support some kind of penalties for data breaches, but you see that it something entirely different from, "data collection itself causes harm." You just can't show that...