I prefer the Apple ecosystem myself but the Sony WF-1000XM are frequently available on sale (refurb WF-1000XM5 are $110 right now). I used to have the WH-1000XM3 (over the ear) and those are good too.

The whole argument seems kind of silly. Just buy the platform you want that has the features you want. If the European thinks Apple is overpriced then it's no harm that they aren't bringing features to Europe. He wasn't going to buy them and now is going to not buy them even harder.

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StopDisinfo910 5 days ago | parent [-]

As a reminder, the initial argument was that Apple doesn’t bring their feature to Europe because they would have to open it via an API to their competitors. Someone replied that it’s not a refusal but a technical impossibility which is easily countered by Google having done just that for years. The fact that it’s heavily downvoted despite being factually completely correct is actually hilarious to me.

The rest, which is to say that everything Apple sells beside laptops is subpar, their strategy regarding European regulations deprive them of any credibility when they pretend to care about consumers and their prices conversion in Europe is daylight robbery, is just my opinion and accessory to the discussion. I just couldn’t help myself.

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raw_anon_1111 5 days ago | parent [-]

No one said it’s a “technical impossibility”. The original statement was that it wouldn’t work on any cheap headphones. It’s assumed that you thought the iPhone was capturing the audio. Even then, there was some work done between the headphones and the phone and the firmware of the AirPods 2 had to be updated.

You aren’t going to save any money by getting a pair of $50 ANC headphones and hoping they work with the system - the Android variant doesn’t.

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StopDisinfo910 5 days ago | parent [-]

> It’s assumed that you thought the iPhone was capturing the audio.

Absolutely not. It assumed the AirPods Pro 2 unique processing was required which it clearly isn’t.

Nobody ever talked about saving money.

The whole discussion is about the EU mandating Apple play fair which would mean letting competitors access their phone processing exactly like Google is already doing.

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raw_anon_1111 5 days ago | parent [-]

> Nobody ever talked about saving money.

You didn’t say this?

> But I mean, you are free to buy overpriced Apple headphones

> which sounds worse than Sony,

And the Sony headphones sound worse and are more expensive.

> only properly works paired with an Apple phone or laptop

Which also isn’t true.

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StopDisinfo910 4 days ago | parent [-]

The fact that I rightfully qualify Apple products as overpriced don’t magically make the discussion about saving money.

Sony headphones sounds noticeably better than AirPods Pro 2 by the way and their EQ is better. AirPods have great noise cancellation but their sound quality is not that great.

> > only properly works paired with an Apple phone or laptop

> Which also isn’t true.

Care to explain to me how I set what presses do on AirPods without an Apple product. How do I disable noise cancellation and pass through? Where do I setup the level of noise cancellation?

Yes, exactly.

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		So noise cancelling headphones that are worse at noise cancelling are better? And the headphones are “overpriced” even though they are the same price as comparable devices that have worse ANC? And a simple Google search tells you how to pair AirPods to none Apple devices https://support.apple.com/en-sg/guide/airpods/dev499c9718b/w...