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| ▲ | michtzik 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > I've never seen 2k+ comments nor posts about other shootings on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42370622 (also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 was even more discussed, but it was a stabbing) |
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| ▲ | pxc 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the world was a worse place for Kirk's influence, whatever it amounted to. I think the circumstances of his death and the reporting on it are deeply ironic. But I can't feel joy at his murder. I just feel sick and anxious. What I feel is nausea about the ongoing destabilization of American life and institutions. What I feel is worry about the danger so many people are in right now, the backlash this event is likely to cause, and the way this will fuel an acceleration of Trump's illegal military occupations of American cities whose citizens or officials Trump finds politically disagreeable. And in the back of my mind I also wonder what will become of Kirk's children, who are very young. But I can't summon either glee or grief. All I've got is irony and deep unease, at least for now. |
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| ▲ | nailer 4 days ago | parent [-] | | I disagree with him about gun ownership, but he didn’t want to disarm in order to prevent all gun deaths. He made the point at the time that we don’t take cars off the road to stop car deaths. It’s a reasonable point. Re: DC national guard, from what I’ve seen rough neighbourhoods in DC were very happy with additional policing, particularly in gang areas, while middle class people who were less affected seemed mainly angry about it. |
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| ▲ | johnnyanmac 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | BolexNOLA 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | And yet for some reason Melissa Hortman and her husband (as well as their dog) continue to be barely acknowledged by the White House/right despite being brutally murdered in their own home - they were democrat lawmakers in MN for those who are unfamiliar with this horrible story. Kirk made a substantial portion of his living trolling people and fomenting hostility between people of different political ideologies. He said gay people should be stoned to death. He did not deserve to die, I do not celebrate his murder. But I will not celebrate the way he lived his life, let alone indulge this flagrant (and tasteless) attempt by the GOP to make him a saintly martyr. | | |
| ▲ | nailer 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > for some reason Melissa Hortman The reason is Hortman is less known. > He said gay people should be stoned to death. No he didn’t. | | |
| ▲ | BolexNOLA a day ago | parent [-] | | You’re right, that has been corrected. He did not say that. Here’s something he did say, however, including a source: > "Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot." https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-once-17000... Ignoring the ironic typo: is this dialogue? Is this “crossing political divides” for productive discussion? Or is it just bog standard racism/sexism? I’m curious what your thoughts are on that one, which was a pretty typical comment from him mind you. Charlie Kirk was a cruel person to those he considered outside his tribe. I will not participate in the GOP’s cynical, opportunistic attempt to brand him as a martyr for free speech. It’s whitewashing nonsense. | | |
| ▲ | nailer a day ago | parent [-] | | Saying people that *say they were only there because of AA* are obviously only there because of AA is a pretty reasonable point. Linking to the video (with someone’s angry wrapper) directly: https://x.com/alluring_nyc/status/1965931096539017536?s=46 I wasn’t aware they said they were there because of AA, this is worthwhile information. | | |
| ▲ | BolexNOLA a day ago | parent [-] | | That is clearly not the assertion/part I am talking about, though I certainly have an opinion on that too. He literally said the above quote I mentioned. It was sexist/racist. It was wrong. You can weigh in on it or not that’s your choice. But this man was not the saint the right is making him out to be. It’s flagrant revisionist history Edit: I also forgot to respond to your Hortman comment. That does not matter. She and her husband were brutally murdered in their home for the crime of being democrats and holding office. How is that not worthy of national attention? How is that not the kind of political violence that the right allegedly cares about right now, despite the fact that right wingers are disproportionately the perpetrators of political violence over the last decade? If they had been Republicans we would still be hearing about it and you know it. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/09/12/is-radic... And since this is a paywalled source, here’s the graph that illustrates the issue: https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20250920_WOC... | | |
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| ▲ | BolexNOLA a day ago | parent | next [-] | | With every update the WSJ’s original article, which largely informs people right now, has fallen apart. It’s so riddled with errors at this point that it should be retracted. I’d go so far as to say it’s deliberate misinformation at this stage. Any attempts to neatly slot this into “he was left” or “he was right” are a waste of time. He doesn’t fit into that paradigm: https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-... There isn’t a liberal in the country who follows Nick Fuentes. Dude is clearly a blackpilled 4chaner as described above. | | |
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| ▲ | BolexNOLA 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Follow as a fan was heavily implied. Also all that reporting is super suspect, especially when some people are so eager to blame the trans community. |
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| ▲ | lunarboy 4 days ago | parent [-] | | You're really trying to convince me people care about kids but we've been having school shooting for 30 years? And that the length or frequency of events makes them okay, or not worth mentioning? So 30 years of more frequent assassinations should be make similar types of events okay? To use "you're probably one of those" and "argue in good faith" in the same comment is pretty wild work. | | |
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