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joz1-k 5 days ago

From the article: The alpha and beta calutron buildings eventually occupied an area greater than 20 football fields, and the entire electromagnetic separation facility grew to 268 buildings, requiring 20,000 workers to build.

This was an enormous undertaking in a relatively short amount of time, even during wartime. I can hardly fathom the scale and urgency of these operations. I suppose the Russians invested similarly massive resources to build their own A-bomb after the war.

Interestingly, it was believed at the time that German scientists were also very close to producing a nuclear weapon. As was later discovered after the war, they were not.

ricksunny 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> it was believed at the time that German scientists were also very close to producing a nuclear weapon.

Yes this was the prime motivator, at least on paper. One can suspect Vannevar Bush or Leslie Groves of ulterior motives (Vannevar: fomenting a defense-fueled ‘Big Science’ infrastructure which he certainly achieved going into the postwar, Groves: creating a weapon to fend off the Soviets for the postwar).

> As was later discovered after the war, there were not.

Man this is a dicy one. There has been some scholarship in recent decades that the Germans may have got a lot farther than history has hitherto accepted to date, all the way up to minor (semi-fizzled?) detonations. Rainer Karlsch has been the main accumulator of relevant archives especially from the Soviet side. Todd Rider formerly of MIT’s Lincoln Lab has done yeoman’s work in piecing together the logic of Karlsch’a work and archive digging of his own & volunteers’. In short, we are not sitting on a consensus reality of just how far the Germans got in developing an atomic bomb, and we aren’t 100% certain on how little we relied on recuped German know-how in developing our own atomic bomb between May-August 1945, not how much we (ahem, Teller) may have relied in part on German know-how in developing the H-bomb. As I mentioned in another comment, the reference for this is

https://riderinstitute.org/revolutionary-innovation/#chapter...

Appendix D is the main one for this topic, and Chapter 8 for context.

philipkglass 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The Soviet and other later nuclear weapons programs were significantly less expensive/complicated to reach equivalent capabilities, because they didn't pursue several paths simultaneously like the Manhattan Project did. They also weren't so rushed.

For example, the USSR built plutonium production facilities and tested a working plutonium-based implosion bomb before they produced highly enriched uranium. The Soviet uranium enrichment program was also simplified compared to the US: they built out the most effective technology that the American program demonstrated (gaseous diffusion). They developed the marginally effective calutron enrichment process only to a trial scale and ignored the practically useless liquid thermal diffusion enrichment process.

thenthenthen 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

China choose two paths as well[0], and while at it building the largest man made tunnel complex in the world[1].

[0] https://nsri.nebraska.edu/-/media/projects/nsri/docs/academi... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/816_Nuclear_Military_Plant

aerostable_slug 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True, but I would note the Soviets chose to do things like put nuclear reactors and Pu production complexes underground to protect them from American air strikes. The sheer scale of their efforts and the added requirements for things like undergrounding entire plants certainly pushed their spending sky-high.

philipkglass 5 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, both countries' nuclear weapons programs were extraordinarily expensive over time. The first underground reactor of the Mining and Chemical Combine was built in 1958, well after the USSR had started stockpiling fission and fusion weapons. The original Mayak production complex had ordinary above-ground reactors.

I believe that the the "AD", "ADE-1", and "ADE-2" reactors here are the only underground ones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project#Plu...

paradox460 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They also had the benefit of having stolen information on what did and didn't work, via spies like the Rosenbergs. Why try what doesn't work if someone else has proved the path before

philipkglass 5 days ago | parent [-]

The USSR (first bomb test: 1949) obtained secret American information from spies and the UK (first bomb test: 1952) had secret information that was intentionally shared by the US. France (first bomb test: 1960) is an interesting case because it developed its program relatively frugally without intentional US information sharing or (as far as I know) spies within the US nuclear weapons program. By the late 1950s there was just a lot more information publicly known that couldn't be hidden again. And today there is nuclear information readily available on Wikipedia that would have been considered top secret as recently as the 1970s, like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Teller%E2%80%93...

rbanffy 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They also weren't so rushed.

The threat to the US was that, unless they are first to develop nuclear weapons, they’d risk the war could end up being fought on their land.

euroderf 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I've always assumed that gaseous diffusion required a process similar to silicon etching in order to achieve the pinhole sizes required.