So you were called out over on Nostr by Final regards the Tor app which you mistakenly took to be integrated when they simply showed the app and it running on the OS, not IN it and decided to come to HN for an anti-Graphene sympathetic ear?

The reply you were called out for, for other people's benefit: It's not bundled. It isn't going to be bundled. This is a post showing a work in progress beta app that most users have not seen before. This app is developed officially by Tor to hopefully replace Orbot, it is informational content.

"GrapheneOS has long been suspicious about the revenue values it receives." GrapheneOS Foundation is a registered Canadian non profit that declares it's accounts and has filed accounts registered against them for this year and last year too. Nothing is suspicious.

From a forensic perspective? You don't provide ANY forensic basis or evidence for anything you claim.

You prefer Chinese devices? Suggesting people use something known to be objectively less secure on a technical level and known to be closely tied to the Chinese government/military and not legally able to refuse their requests is strange. Even if US gov is the only threat you consider, this makes little to no sense. Especially when it has been revealed that forensic analysis firms used by the US LE agencies have revealed that they see GrapheneOS Pixel devices to be the hardest if not impossible to extract especially in BFU state. There is a reason European LE agencies and their media have gone to extra lengths to smear users as criminals due to how stymied they are in extracting data. A job you want to make easier by making ludicrous hypersensationalised claims based solely in the realm of fantasy.

Why would I ever trust a gov agency whose expertise is deceiving their oponents when they publicly announce/leak that a specific hardware is more secure than others for them to break? That is the all the more reason to keep distance.

> Tor app which you mistakenly took to be integrated when they simply showed the app and it running on the OS

Putting the two things together and endorsing is the same as placing a knife and a tomate on the kitchen table and not expecting them to be used together.

That distro is willingly promoting that journalists and other critical crafts use a service directly created/maintained/funded by the same governments they are trying to hide from. There exists I2P which solves all those attack vectors without ambiguities, but for "reasons" it isn't adopted. Ah.. "licensing model" was the reason last time we talked.

> "GrapheneOS has long been suspicious about the revenue values it receives." GrapheneOS Foundation is a registered Canadian non profit that declares it's accounts and has filed accounts registered against them for this year and last year too. Nothing is suspicious.

Is it public somewhere? If not: that is pretty suspicious for a non-profit. Because you endorse Tor (US intelligence-sponsored tool), you endorse Signal (US intelligence sponsored tool) so why don't you go public about where your money is coming from?

About chinese devices let's be realistic: Google™ Pixel devices are also built in China by Foxconn. Reusing your argument: I'm choosing to be spied only by one side of the globe rather than both sides. Yes, my personal preference is to be spied by eastern powers rather than western ones when possible to choose between bad choices.

I'm not alone on this criticism about the hardware and you know it.