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dkobia 4 days ago

I thought the idea of a folding phone was just a cash grab until I saw someone on the plane across the aisle from me interacting with one. It has been a while since I saw someone get so much enjoyment out of a device. The back and forth between folded and unfolded to read messages and watch movies/read a book was mesmerizing. It made me realize that this form factor could actually enhance the user experience in a meaningful way.

ZeroCool2u 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I genuinely think book reading is the killer app for foldable devices. A bigger screen for a movie or TV is nice to have, but not a game changer. When you have that much screen real estate you can get a really enjoyable experience reading a novel or just easily read a textbook or research paper in a way that's simply not possible on even the largest of what you might consider a typical size phone.

Plus, you no longer need to deal with buying and maintaining a separate device like an iPad! This is why I suspect Apple is dragging its feet on the foldable category, besides letting the screen technology mature. It will probably cannibalize some sales from that market segment.

leobg 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

What about book reading requires a large screen?

I find my phone much more comfortable to hold than a book. It fits my hand.

You only read one sentence at a time anyway. I rather scroll, keeping the current sentence in the middle of the screen than jump around with my eyes in an open book, and having to turn pages, or keeping them flat.

Am I missing something? (Real question. I read a lot!)

packetlost 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Reading PDFs is the biggest case. PDFs do not (typically) dynamically reflow in a way that's usable and generally suck to read on a small screen as a result. Source: read a lot of PDFs on mobile.

ashirviskas 4 days ago | parent [-]

But most books are probably not PDFs?

packetlost 4 days ago | parent [-]

Most? Idk maybe. Most papers are. Most TTRPG books I've encountered are. Textbooks are often PDFs, not EPUBs.

Nah, I'd say most digital books are probably PDFs.

gopalv 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You only read one sentence at a time anyway.

Not how I read when I read on paper & this bothers me on a phone a lot.

I'm not functionally dyslexic, but all the words pop out at the same time, you could say I read verbs, then tense, nouns after and then I read adjectives in a sentence.

But English is also my second language, so my first language's grammar probably fits closer.

Oddly enough when I first encountered lisp, the nested pile of map, fold and filter was easier because of the well trained habit of restructuring after reading verbs.

jshen 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think there are two reasons.

1) Some books have images, charts, tables, etc. The screen size makes a big difference for these.

2) The format of the "book". Reading a PDF for example is much better on a bigger screen.

lallysingh 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your eyes can skip around and read a lot faster. Most things I read have me skipping around quite a bit. The only time I'm straight-linear with reading is in fiction, and for that I've moved to audiobooks.

ZeroCool2u 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fair question and I read a lot on my phone too! I think the use cases that come to mind for me are comics/graphic novels and research papers. Both of these are kind of annoying to read on phones right now.

leobg 2 days ago | parent [-]

I agree. PDFs/papers are no fun on a phone. I heard “book” and thought of fiction / nonfiction.

e-khadem 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I get a lot less eye fatigue when I use a bigger screen at a larger distance.

RyanOD 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Too bad that when it comes to reading for pleasure, "all signs show a slump"...

https://www.arts.gov/stories/blog/2024/federal-data-reading-...

Though I agree with you that a larger reading screen would be very nice, I doubt such an experience on a device that offers endless digital distractions will reverse this downward trend - not that you said it would.

carlosjobim 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Kindles and their competitors have pretty much perfected the devices for this market. They are cheap, high quality, and last long. The few people who like to read do not mind carrying a dedicated reader. However a foldable eink reader would be interesting.

qnleigh 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It could go both ways though. Phones get more heavy use, and foldables will probably always be more fragile than iPads, so they might wind up with more customers replacing a more expensive device more often. iPads last a really long time, which was talked about as a problem for Apple's revenue. Some day we might even get a foldable iPad.

Also I doubt that Apple's foldable phone will cost the same or less than Samsung's, as is suggested in the article...

bjacobel 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Plus, you no longer need to deal with buying and maintaining a separate device like an iPad!

I've found a much easier solution to this problem.

baby 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I actually use a single screen to read epubs using my folding phone, mostly use two screens for PDFs, mangas, and videos.

kccqzy 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly. Apple is adding so much to iPadOS 26 (e.g. new windowing features) that it resembles the Mac. The next foldable iPhone will be like the iPadOS prior to version 26, so that Apple can make sure iPadOS remains more powerful than iOS.

pseudocomposer 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree with your first paragraph.

For your second, I think you don’t understand why people buy/use iPads. First off, I don’t really know anyone who uses an iPad mini for anything productive (other than as a test device). A 7-9” screen is just not useful compared to a 13” iPad for things like Sidecar or reading sheet music in live performances. The 7-9” screen being an unfolded phone doesn’t change this.

A folding iPhone could eat the iPad mini, but that’s never been a cash cow for Apple or something power users cared about - it’s more of an “iPod touch” for kids. (And frankly, the Switch 2 kind of obsoletes it.) The thing that would eat 13” iPads’ lunch is something more like Apple Vision.

wishfish 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Weirdly enough, the iPad Mini is probably the iPad most used for work. The size & weight are perfect for many scenarios. Pilots, warehouses, and field work of all sorts.

For me personally, it's my travel machine. I've done all sorts of things with it on the road. From SSH to using Photoshop to make some last minute edits. It (barely) fits in my pockets so I don't even need a bag for it. Probably my favorite machine ever at least in terms of form factor.

Screen size does seem to be a personal choice. For me, I've always liked small screens for portability. I'm the weirdo who actually got work done on the first gen Asus EEE PC and didn't mind it. But I can understand that wouldn't be for everyone.

Marsymars 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The iPad Mini form factor with cell connectivity is pretty great when you're travelling light.

My normal international travel load-out is a backup smart phone + an 8" LTE tablet with eSIM + bluetooth keyboard. It's about as minimal as I can get while still having a real keyboard and functional screen size to handle travel logistics.

baby 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My folding phone has completely replaced my ipad pro (which was my favorite device until now)

outworlder 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don’t really know anyone who uses an iPad mini for anything productive

I guess you don't know many pilots? :)

coeneedell 4 days ago | parent [-]

What do pilots use them for?

avidiax 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Pilots use iPads for all of the charts and checklists. Even having two iPads (one as a backup) is much lighter and thinner (and easier to update) than the paper copies it replaces.

nom 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Electronic flight bag, contains all the information a pilot needs.

This is the app they use https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ForeFlight

fecal_henge 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

747_getting_started.pdf

mrheosuper 4 days ago | parent [-]

so_you_want_to_be_a_pilot.epub

Jyaif 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Phones replaced computers for most people, so I think folding phones can replace tablets.

sky2224 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The big future that I see for foldables is as tablets for note takers.

Microsoft and Apple have already proven that students are willing to shell out the money to buy $1000+ products just to take hand written digital notes on. If Samsung or someone else could create a foldable that's in the ~$1500 range that can fold out into the size of an ipad mini AND has a good pen usage and storage situation, I believe it will sell incredibly well.

It'd be so cool to be able to walk to a lecture with only your phone.

WillAdams 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

I used to take notes on my Newton MessagePad back at a time when college professors would _not_ allow folks to use laptops for notetaking --- agree, in addition to folding, you pretty much need a stylus for note-taking (and for an Apple Pencil, I'd worry about the "tick" one gets each time it's touched to the screen).

That said, these days I use a Samsung Galaxy Note 10+, Amazon Kindle Scribe w/ Premium Pen, Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360, and when at a desk, a MacBook and Wacom One display, all with Wacom EMR --- no folding devices, since there doesn't yet seem to be one which uses the normal frequencies (most recent foldables used the same frequency for the stylus as is usually used for the eraser?!?).

I'd give a lot for a competitor to the Lenovo Yoga Book 9i which used a Wacom EMR stylus, or for a phone which used a standard Wacom EMR stylus.

wlesieutre 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I’d be tempted by a foldable iPhone if (and only if) they have a stylus, but I don’t expect them to.

The form factor doesn’t lend itself to storing a comfortably sized “pencil” along with the phone, and god forbid an Apple accessory exist that doesn’t feel perfectly integrated with the product it goes with.

seemaze 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's curious. Folding phones are in the same bucket as 3D television in my mind.. but I'm probably not the target market.

thewebguyd 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Same thoughts.

I did try one, the Pixel 9 Pro Fold for 6 months before going back to iOS (I'm too deep on the ecosystem, but I like to try Android again every once in a while).

I think I only used it unfolded like three times. It was pretty much pointless for me.

Anything I need a bigger screen for, I almost always have either my laptop or iPad with me for that. I don't WANT to do things on my phone, I actually want to use it less - a foldable offers the alternative deal, where you want to and actively use your phone for more and more tasks forgoing other devices.

Not for me, probably never will be.

baby 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You probably are in the target market but it's hard to understand how life changing it is without having one for at least a day.

thewebguyd 4 days ago | parent [-]

It's only life changing if you use your phone for most of your computing. I don't, I tried a foldable and barely used it unfolded, just didn't "get it." If I need to do something that's frustrating on a phone screen, I don't use my phone - I almost always have my laptop with me, or my iPad near by. If I don't, it can probably wait until I get home anyway.

Consequently, probably why I might be "downgrading" from a pro max down to the new iPhone Air. No bulk, no excessive camera array...just a thin, light phone.

Marsymars 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's exactly my phone use. I still want a fast phone because a laggy interface will make my phone use even more annoying for the use I do have, but trying a foldable for a week or so it just felt like something clunkier to carry around in between using my tablet or desktop.

rafaelmn 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Then you got the wrong foldable phone - you should have gone for the flip - that's way smaller and more pocketable than air. Will probably get you similar battery stats.

dyauspitr 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds horrible to me. Why would I want to do the extra step of flipping things open and typing in two form factors. But then I’m not really watching long form videos on my phone so maybe I’m just not the target market.

baby 4 days ago | parent [-]

Imagine that you need to grab your laptop or your tablet because you need a larger screen, now you can just do that from a small movement

Marsymars 4 days ago | parent [-]

Except e.g. the 7.6" Pixel Fold screen is still only a third of the area of a 13" MacBook (not to mention a desktop).

To people (like me) who want bigger screens, your comment reads akin to "Imagine that you need to grab your phone because you need a 6" screen, now instead you can just flip out a second screen from your Apple Watch and have a 2.5" screen."

baby 4 days ago | parent [-]

A macbook pro is so small compared to my big tv in the living room

Marsymars 2 days ago | parent [-]

Hey, I can relate, I’ve got a projector in my basement. Watching anything cinematic on a 50” display feels pretty anemic in comparison unless I sit awkwardly close to the TV.

vvanders 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Multi app works pretty well too, when I need to cross reference between apps throwing them each up on the split halves is way better than swapping back and forth.

tomrod 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a mini laptop with a digital keyboard. Whats not to love? :)

jsbisviewtiful 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I had never seen one in the wild until I made a new friend recently, who has one of the foldable Samsung devices. My initial impression was that it is clunky, way too thick/large for comfortable pocket storage+running and it looks cheap for how much it cost... and last week my friend said he got his first ever dead pixel of any of his devices on the foldable phone. Take that opinion and info as you will.

asadotzler 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

The Fold 7, new this year, is hardly clunky. It's less than 1mm thicker than an iPhone Pro when folded and is only 4.2mm when open where it has an 8" screen. It's surprisingly un-clunky.

exac 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know less than ten people with foldable phones, but without fail they all claim that the screen is durable, but I have yet to see any foldable phone without a cracked screen after a few years.

dpc050505 4 days ago | parent [-]

A lot of people crack their normal smartphone screens too. Every mall's got a guy making a living off of fixing them.

leptons 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've had 2 Samsung fold phones, no dead pixels. They have been perfect, and very much not "clunky". "looks cheap"? How? It's probably the most well built phone I've ever had, and I've had all the brands, even an iPhone that didn't work well (remember "you're holding it wrong"?).

baby 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Screen is really good on the google folding 9. On the other hand my gf broke her iphone screen twice in one week (the second time a few days after getting an official repair...)

alchemical_piss 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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