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thebruce87m 5 days ago

Apple are in a bind here since the bend/crease will degrade over time. Other manufacturers get a pass on this sort of stuff (just look at Pixel phones not making emergency calls for a prime example), but apple will be hit with fines and class action lawsuits.

Zigurd 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Apple sometimes manages to wait out bad ideas: they never gave into the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops, just conceding the touch bar which is now extinct.

izacus 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's a most generous reading of the touchbar fiasco I've ever seen (and I've heard a lot of Apple fans speak).

meatmanek 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

IMO the touchbar was the least-bad thing about my touchbar 2017 MBP. The butterfly keyboard, flexgate, the USB-C ports that lost their ability to retain cables after like 20 insertions, and the overheating and quickly-degrading battery were much bigger issues.

I didn't really get much value out of the touchbar (never really used any per-app touchbar functionality), but it was mostly fine -- I adjusted to the touchbar escape key pretty quickly.

Zigurd 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wasn't trying to be generous. I was making a nod toward something like malicious compliance. I used to have a big old Mercedes sedan that had the worst cupholder in automotive history that would break as soon as possible. It was designed to pop out of a slot in the center console. But real German car drivers finish their coffee before stepping into the car. That's how I see the touch bar. It was meant to be awful.

thewebguyd 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The touchbar would've ben great if they also didn't remove the function rows & escape key.

j_maffe 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Wait until Apple comes out with a folding phone, they'll say it was the plan all along lol

Liftyee 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> the bad idea of touchscreen "convertible" laptops

Is it such a bad idea? I use a convertible Thinkpad to take handwritten notes as well as usual laptop duties. Perhaps it just doesn't fit your usecase, it seems that plenty of these laptops are still being made today.

Granted, my previous Gen 1 Thinkpad had constant motherboard and memory issues - not sure if design flaw, lemon, or otherwise. To their credit, Lenovo warranty repaired it and eventually gave an upgrade (my current device) for no charge.

beAbU 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time.

They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time.

I do think a move like this will hurt their reputation for making durable devices. They are a victim of their own success a little here.

thebruce87m 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Don't make it sound like Apple is some sort of victim of regulation who's being picked on the whole time.

I didn’t say this. I would merely accept other companies being held to the same standard.

> They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time.

This will 100% happen. When it does I will come back and post here.

hu3 4 days ago | parent [-]

They never got any significant fine for bendgate, "you're holding it wrong", problematic butterfly keyboards or secretly slowing down iphones due to degraded batteries.

Am I missing some other blunder?

thebruce87m 4 days ago | parent [-]

Antennagate : https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/17/2807511/apple-settles-ant...

Butterfly: https://www.keyboardsettlement.com/

Batterygate: multiple countries. Here’s Canada: https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-pay-c144-mln-settle... US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/18/apple-f...

Nothing for bendgate

Yes, a lot of the time they settle, so no admission of guilt but it still costs them money.

outworlder 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> They will not get fines and lawsuits if they make a foldable phone with a display that degrades over time.

They got lawsuits because of batteries that degraded over time.

mrguyorama 4 days ago | parent [-]

They got lawsuits because they purposely chose a battery that would not be sufficient after a few years of use because they wanted a thin phone, and instead of copping to that and providing support for users to cheaply and easily replace such underspecced batteries, they silently updated their OS to just throttle itself to death to "fix" it.

These batteries were not fit for purpose. The phone design was defective. It literally could not manage after normal and expected degradation.

Imagine if, after Microsoft failed to build the Xbox 360 correctly, they just silently throttled all the machines to reduce the chance they would fail, rather than what they had to do, which was replace all the defective machines, 25% of the fleet, on their own dime.

In most countries that aren't the USA, consumers have a right to expect their products to work for some time and be fit for purpose. Apple blatantly violated that right, and used a quiet software update to hide that.

Apple loves to just deny and ignore their design failures. It used to be the norm for Macbooks to just cook their GPU to death, and apple would always refuse to acknowledge such things until they settled the lawsuit and quietly put up some sort of "we will fix this at your expense" program.

fennecbutt 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Well not really. Apple ignored bendgate for ages, they ignored butterfly issues for ages, antennagate as well - to whicjbt they told customers "you're holding it wrong".

As for other manufacturers not being held liable, Galaxy Note 7 had plenty of related lawsuits and customer action holding them accountable amongst many other cases of the same.

Apple is just a company like any other.