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tacitusarc 5 days ago

This is a pretty inflammatory claim to make, especially without evidence. When did he praise the use of violence?

miltonlost 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

He supported Jan 6. That’s was a violent mob attempting a coup. He loved violence

j-krieger 4 days ago | parent [-]

What a crock of BS. You can support a protest without „loving“ violence. Americans have no idea what a coup looks like and it shows.

zug_zug 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In March 2023, around the time of Donald Trump’s indictment, Kirk said conservatives are being provoked into violence, and said “we must make them pay a price and a penalty” by indicting Democrats.

There are claims from media/reporters that Kirk made statements about “dealing with” transgender people “like in the ’50s & ’60s,”

Also the famous and now ironic comment that "Some gun deaths are worth it to protect the second amendment."

Who's inflammatory now?

tacitusarc 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

None of those statements advocate violence, much less extol it.

PartiallyTyped 5 days ago | parent [-]

Absolutely did not advocate for lynching and killing trans people like 50s and 60s.

Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Trans people must be stopped, for the children!

We all know what his words mean, the veil is thin enough that even a moron would understand it, and thick enough that the law protects him.

if you can’t correlate the exposure of the public to such comments with the rise in violence against LGBT people, I’d recommend some self-reflection and asking yourself what the consequences are if you are wrong.

Hopefully you are capable of feeling empathy towards others.

qcnguy 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

He did not in fact advocate for lynching or killing trans people. In the 50s and 60s they would have been treated as mental health cases, not executed on the spot by sharpshooters.

licebmi__at__ 5 days ago | parent [-]

I guess that makes it better, mental health was great at the time and they probably would not be subject to torture. I would advocate someone with a similar view or belief to be treated like JFK's sister.

qcnguy 5 days ago | parent [-]

They probably would not have been subjected to torture, no. If you're thinking of lobotomy, I believe that was phased out around 1951 or so, and it wasn't intended as a form of torture.

akimbostrawman 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>for the children

I think it's only natural to not want children to be part of a group with very high suicide rates or otherwise be ideologically compelled to take life changing medication based on short term emotions and group pressure.

Hopefully you are capable of not only empathy but understanding for the opinion of others even if they fall outside of your beliefs.

PartiallyTyped 5 days ago | parent [-]

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PartiallyTyped 4 days ago | parent [-]

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/inquiries/2510/Repo...

What Charlie has advocated for.

akimbostrawman 4 days ago | parent [-]

He advocated for treating mentally ill. How truly evil.

PartiallyTyped 4 days ago | parent [-]

He advocated for killing, incarcerating, and conversion “therapies”. You should familiarise yourself with what’s happening there.

The more you try to sane-wash the more you show what kind of person you are.

How about we listen to the actual doctors and not a political opportunist whose legacy is advocating for guns right after kids have died?

akimbostrawman 4 days ago | parent [-]

>How about we listen to the actual doctors and not a political opportunist

Ah yeah the totally not politically captured science that made the problem worse in the first place.

Not having a authoritarian knee jerk reaction after a tragedy is indeed the right and level headed response. Or do you also think there should be no privacy online because bad people misuse it?

PartiallyTyped 4 days ago | parent [-]

All you’ve done is live up to your handle.

The good thing about science is that it doesn’t need a “trust me bro”.

slumpt_ 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

it’s wild seeing this forum both-sides-same itself into overlooking the hate this dude put into the world

gamblor956 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Charlie deliberately targeted blacks, Latinos, and the transgender. He wasn't just going with the tide on that animus, he created the tide. He was one of the initial proponents of the "Great Replacement theory" and the call to action to "fight" it. He called for genocide against Muslims in 2023 and earlier this year. He blamed the Jewish community for "pushing hatred" against Christians. He was close friends with a number of white nationalists with ties to domestic terrorism groups.He called the man who tried to kill Mr. Pelosi a hero and argued that he should have been set free instead of receiving prison time. After a Democratic legislator was murdered a few months ago, he tried to blame the "left" for assassination culture, ignoring the entirety of American history in which nearly all political assassins have been right-wing extremists. Literally seconds before he died, he tried to shift the blame for all of the recent mass shootings (most of them carried about by extreme right incels) to the transgender community.

Charlie was most famous for saying that the deaths at Sandy Hook were the price we pay to keep our Second Amendments rights. I wonder if he would have felt the same way knowing that he would be part of that price?

On a further note, unlike most of the people on HN, I've met and spoken with Charlie in real life (I met him through an ex and her admiration of him is why she's an ex.). He was even more extreme in real life, but he was media-savvy enough not to let that other stuff be filmed. What you see on camera was the filtered version of who Charlie was. I was, at one point in my life, a member of the Federalist Society. Charlie and his ilk are the reason I'm an independent now.

j-krieger 4 days ago | parent [-]

Where did he „target“ those people? Every single debate I‘ve seen him say stuff I disagree with with, but he always said that while he does not agree with some things, people should live as free as they please.

gamblor956 3 days ago | parent [-]

He literally blamed the transgendered community for all of the recent mass shootings seconds before he was shot...

Yes, 1 of them was a transgendered individual. The other 99% were all right wing extremists, including shooter in the other shooting (in Denver) the day Charlie was killed. (And based on reporting as of Friday, so was Charlie's killer.)