A lot of people in the US seem to view deporting illegal immigrants as some far-right move bordering on fascism

Meanwhile, in Australia, it is a bipartisan policy. Read this article about what the centre-left Albanese government just did: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/04/labor... (that article technically isn’t about “illegal immigrants”, it is about a group of people who are predominantly legal immigrants who have had their visas cancelled due to criminal convictions-but they don’t treat the illegal immigrants any better)

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underlipton 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

It will be a legitimate value when employers who abuse the presence of undocumented immigrants are held criminally accountable, and/or when legislators take action, per bipartisan request, to legalize the de facto state of immigration in the Americas, of whatever character and magnitude that social stability can afford. Until then, it's just xenophobia and racism, and especially egregious because a good number of "immigrants" are the descendants of people who've lived on and migrated around this continent for 10,000+ years.

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otterley 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

We've been deporting illegal immigrants for as long as there has been an immigration policy--and yes, that policy is bipartisan. See the data at https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2022/table3... -- and consider who held office when the removal rate doubled in 1997. (2021 is an anomalous year, for reasons you can probably guess.)

The contentious issue is not whether the law is being enforced, but rather how it is enforced. Most first-world countries do it with a certain amount of decorum. We've been doing it since Trump regained office with a shock-and-awe approach that is highly disruptive, violent, and of questionable legality.

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marcusverus 5 days ago | parent [-]

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	▲	skissane 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> and will shortly have in Texas. Democrats have been dreaming of “turning Texas blue” for years now, but I’m sceptical that will ever happen. The GOP-and Trump in particular-has been making big inroads with Hispanic Texans. The idea that a “minority-majority” US would result in permanent rule by the Democratic party relied on the assumption that Democrats have a permanent lock on ethnic/racial minority voters-an assumption which appears increasingly dubious
	▲	otterley 5 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> The is obviously nonsense. Which part is the nonsense part of what I said? > Biden actually apologized for deporting illegals Where? I can find no such record. I do see him regretting using the word "illegals" instead of "undocumented". See e.g. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-regrets-using-illegal... > Democrats (or, at least, democrat leadership) support illegal immigration because they want a demographically-guaranteed majority in the US 1. This makes no sense. Only citizens can vote, and so no number of undocumented immigrants in the country can affect an election outcome. 2. Democrats don't support illegal immigration as such. However, they do recognize the complexities of the labor force and the practical reality that undocumented immigrants do a lot of unskilled labor from agriculture to janitorial services, and thus tough enforcement of the laws and removing them all would have serious adverse consequences to our economy. They have tried to boost legal immigration but have been stonewalled. > Anyone who says they don't understand this is a liar or a naif. Personal attacks aren't permitted here. People are entitled to have reasonable disagreements.