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lm28469 5 days ago

We've always been on a knife edge it's just streamed straight into your eyes balls 24/7 now and social media means everyone has to have a black or white opinion about everything.

dylan604 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

While that may be true to an extent, the 24/7 nature of it now is the equivalent of constantly red lining the engine. It used to be you'd go to meetings/gatherings of like minded people to get hopped up and your engines revved up like that, but they would for the most part cool back down after getting back home. Now, the engine never gets back to idle and stays red lined. At some point, the engine will break down, only instead of throwing a rod or ceasing up, something non-engine related will happen.

ethbr1 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> It used to be you'd go to meetings/gatherings of like minded people to get hopped up and your engines revved up like that

I would go so far as to say going to meetings physically was also a counterbalance.

When you're around other people, even ones who share your beliefs, and say 'I think we should murder that guy!' then in most crowds someone is going to say 'Hey fellow, are you okay?'

It's when you exclusively socially exist in online spaces that the most extreme actions suddenly become encouraged.

Or as Josh Johnson recently quipped, "The internet is all gas no brakes."

dylan604 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> someone is going to say 'Hey fellow, are you okay?'

We might be thinking of different types of gatherings/meetings. Specifically, I was thinking of someone with a particular set of extremist ideals that get together for a monthly meeting with others with those same extremist ideals. Someone in that group would likely not say "are you okay" rather they'd say "hellzya brother!" or whatever they'd actually phrase it. These types of meetings are also known to have someone speak intentionally seeking to get a member to act as a lone wolf to actually carry out the comment you're hoping someone would tamper. Now, one doesn't need to go to meetings for that encouragement. They just open up whatever app/forum.

im3w1l 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was at a political rally a long time ago. One of the speakers said "let's hang all the people in <rich suburb>". As I remember it no one spoke out against him but neither did people cheer. Anyway I realized the rally was a bit too much for me and left. The speech was entirely inconsequential - no violence resulted nor was anyone arrested.

I'm telling this story because I think it's how things usually go, and I think you are quite mistaken.

motorest 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> When you're around other people, even ones who share your beliefs, and say 'I think we should murder that guy!' then in most crowds someone is going to say 'Hey fellow, are you okay?'

There are crowds where that guy is not there, is not heard, or doesn't speak up at all.

In those crowds, people reach out for their pitchforks and outright murder people.

If you take a frank look at history, you will notice those are all too frequent. Even in this century.

mothballed 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anything I say on the internet, someone will always have a compelling but sometimes wrong argument as to why im wrong. If you listen to them for confirmation you'd never be able to do anything, and im not exaggerating. I could probably say the earth is round here on HN and some astrophysics PhD would tell me I failed to consider the 4th dimension or something and it's actually unknown if we can call it round.

Where are these people going that they just see encouragement without resistance?

chipsrafferty 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's not perfectly spherical, actually.

pvaldes 5 days ago | parent [-]

The shape of the earth depends on your speed

If you walk slow the earth looks like a plane

If you go faster the earth looks like a sphere

If you travel really fast the earth looks like a dot. A tiny blue one.

xboxnolifes 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe not only encouragement, but it's certainly easier to quickly label any opposition as bots/trolls/idiots/woke/boomer/racist/commie/nazi/etc, ignore them, and move on online. Someone's single sentence to you wasn't a perfect pattern match for your acceptable criteria? No need to interact with them, just ignore them and move on. Better yet, get a quick swipe in on them to score some points with your in-group.

dylan604 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Being right all the time on the internet is such a curse. Those damned learned people with PhDs thinking they know things going up against such an obviously more intelligent person. They should have their degrees revoked!

d1sxeyes 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There doesn’t even need to be anyone saying no. When you’re standing with a crowd shouting “murder! murder!” it’s much harder to say “I’m not one of the bad guys” than when you’re online and you can say “well OK, there are a few bad apples in our group, but I’m not one of them!”

lm28469 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

From a personal point of view I agree, it's completely unhealthy, but from a global perspective it's always been fucked up all the time, open a wiki page for any year between 1900 and now and you will find loads of assassinations, terrorist attacks, wars, famine, genocides, coups d'états, &c.

TheOtherHobbes 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

There aren't many times when there's quite as much happening at the same time.

Over the last week or so we've had: serious riots in France, catastrophic riots in Nepal, a scandal in the UK featuring the ambassador to the US, hostile drone incursions into Poland, the murder of Charlie Kirk, the ICE raid on visiting South Korean workers, soldiers on the streets of DC and a threatened incursion into Chicago, a school shooting, revelations about the biggest paedophile scandal of the century and its links to the rich and famous, including the current president, and Israel attacking most of the countries around it.

In the background is the continuing war in Ukraine, China's increasing militarisation and threatened technological lead over the US, the situation in Gaza, the disassembly of the established US federal system of government, existential and economic dread over the impact of AI, and climate change.

If everyone's feeling a little edgy, there may be good reasons for that.

hattmall 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Interesting how different circles see different things though. Around me the biggest thing prior to Charlie Kirk was the murder of the Ukrainian refugee on a train in Charlotte.

chipsrafferty 5 days ago | parent [-]

Are you saying you didn't know/hear about any of those things or that your circle didn't consider them very important?

lm28469 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is business as usual. Look at the 20th century section of this page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

And that's just the big events in Europe, if you looked at newspapers you'd see hundreds of horrible things happening every single day.

Even terrorists attacks are way lower than not so long ago: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Terroris...

My parents had the cold war, petrol crisis, September 11, dotcom, 2008, my grandpa fought in wars in the 60s, my grandma was born right before ww2 and talked to German soldiers when she was 6 and her village was occupied, &c.

Young westerners get scared because they're used to people dying far away, now that it's getting a bit closer they think it's the end of the world, the truth is that it's always been fucked up, we just got locally lucky for a bit

Get out of the news cycle, it really isn't that terrible out there

seanmcdirmid 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your comment sounds like a new verse in Billy Joel's "we didn't start the fire" song. When Trump was elected, I knew, at least, that the news wouldn't be boring for the next four years.

Poomba 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Granted, I live under a rock, but I only knew of one of those events you mentioned (Kirk’s death). I intentionally dont read or watch news. It does absolutely wonders for my peace of mind.

collingreen 5 days ago | parent [-]

I genuinely hope none of the bad stuff reaches you or the folks you care about under your rock.

lm28469 5 days ago | parent [-]

I'll take my chances waiting for something to affect me directly rather than watching news channels 24/7 to get outraged every single second of my life about random shit happening in places I mostly can't even locate on a map or spell.

That's what people did for 99.99% of humanity btw

collingreen 4 days ago | parent [-]

Luckily those aren't the only two options!

lazide 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yup - you’d just never hear about all the ones that weren’t right next to you. At least in gory detail while they happened.

Here, I get to read all about the latest insanity in the last 24 hrs from…. 4 major countries in Crisis?

Tchau, from central Brazil (today).

ForOldHack 5 days ago | parent [-]

Insanity...

tracker1 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Men of Virginia! pause and ponder upon those instructive cyphers, and these incontestible facts. Ye will then judge for yourselves on the point of an American navy. Ye will judge without regard to the prattle of a president, the prattle of that strange compound of ignorance and ferocity, of deceit and weakness; without regard to that hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."

-- James Callender, The Prospect Before Us, 1800

poszlem 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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