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| ▲ | AngryData 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Regular people suffer no matter what the problem is, they have always been the front line to blunt the effects of economic, political, or military tolls. The whole reason people resort to political violence is to inflate a problem so large that not even the "bourgeoisie" can completely shield themselves from it. If someone feels they are suffering or dead without doing anything, then suffering or dieing from actually taking action against your perceived oppressors seems like a decent option. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > not even the "bourgeoisie" can completely shield themselves from it The bourgeoisie can't. The aristocracy can. That's the point. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > "The bourgeoisie" as you call them, will be fine I meant the bourgeoisie as in the middle class. A lot of idiots think rolling out guillotines will hurt the rich and help the poor. It won’t. It almost never has in the last millennium. If violence becomes a tool of politics, the rich will command violence at greater scale and with more impunity than anyone who cannot command an audience at the White House. |
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| ▲ | bilbo0s 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | If violence becomes a tool of politics, the rich will command violence at greater scale and with more impunity than anyone who cannot command an audience at the White House. I actually wish that were the case. The problem today is that we've scaled up the damage that a single attacker can do. I won't go too far into it, but think of it this way, what happens when someone wakes up to the fact that they can use autonomous ordinance (e.g. - Drones)? We made a big mistake with this whole "incivility is cool" thing in public discourse. In retrospect, it's kind of obvious that it set us on a slippery slope. | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > We made a big mistake with this whole "incivility is cool" thing in public discourse I remain a fan of bringing back the Athenian institution of ostracism. If more than a certain fraction of voters in an election write down the same person’s name, they’re banned from running for office or have to leave the country for N years. (And if they can’t or won’t do the latter, are placed under house arrest.) |
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| ▲ | silverquiet 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've always thought that the middle class were proles as well, or petit-bourgeoisie at best. I don't think you're wrong, but one thing that I've noticed in my time of thinking about and discussing societal problems in the US is that nothing ever really seems to help the poor anyway. | |
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| ▲ | digitalbullshit 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hello. I witnessed racial and religious persecution. I can tell you my stories. But I always wonder what is the alternative when someone like me is attacked? Should I give my left cheek? Should I attempt to be a pacifist? People who are against violence by all means necessary are privileged because they never have to witness someone’s head roll down. So they don’t know how it feels to be the receiving end of suffering. |
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| ▲ | A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 5 days ago | parent [-] | | << People who are against violence by all means necessary are privileged I think you misunderstand the point. My argument is that each act of political violence ( especially on a national stage ) further degrades existing society. That ongoing degradation is a real problem and, yes, individual suffering is irrelevant to it, because, society is a greater good. You may say those say it are privileged, but to that I say that I like having working society. It keeps being us civil. I like it to stay that way. If you feel otherwise, please elaborate. It is possible, I am misunderstanding you. |
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| ▲ | mothballed 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Haitian Revolution comes to mind of "the bourgeoisie" that were actually in country, basically got slaughtered, at least the white ones. If you frame it to include the ones even higher up on French soil, maybe not though. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 days ago | parent [-] | | > Haitian Revolution comes to mind of "the bourgeoisie" that were actually in country Yes. The bourgeoisie don’t get away. The aristocracy do. If you work in tech, you’re part of the American bourgeoisie. If you have a college degree, you’re bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie are the middle class. | | |
| ▲ | yuye 4 days ago | parent [-] | | >If you work in tech, you’re part of the American bourgeoisie. If you have a college degree, you’re bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie are the middle class. What does the middle class even mean nowadays? By Marxist definition, the bourgeoisie are the business owners, the landlords. The class that owns the means of production. If you need a salary to survive, you're working class. A lot of people in tech are salaried employees. They might have some money in investments, but not enough to live off of. Many tech workers are just highly compensated members of the working class. |
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